Just a dumb question . Hospitals ??

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Re: Just a dumb question . Hospitals ??

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chasfm11 wrote:Be very careful. The Harris Methodist hospital, a small one, in Southlake has the "white on glass" 30.06. It is really hard to see unless you know that it is there. I'm not willing to risk pressing the fact that it is not really contrasting. A number of the other hospitals have the same difficult to read sign setup. The Irving Baylor facitily only has the 30.06 sign on ambulance entrance. The LEO on a desk inside is a pretty good indicator, however. The South entrance, through the large office building, is unposted. I'm betting that the sign is applied to any connected part of the facility by LE and the Iriving DA, if it ever comes to that.

My approach is to assume that any larger medical facility associated with Harris or Baylor is posted unless I physically prove to myself that it isn't. I understand that is not the way that the TPC reads but I don't have the deep pockets to hire lawyers to take more of a purist approach.
Absolutely - my mother was in Baylor's All-Saints in Fort Worth for a couple weeks and they do the same white on glass letters. At the time I didn't have my license but I knew the laws and wondered about the "contrasting colors" part of their sign. I wouldn't carry past it now.

I have been to the local boondocks hospital here on many occasions (they have a branch of the cancer clinic I go to) and I always carry, they have the old signs up for me to disregard. Of course I subtract 2lbs off my weight for my all steel Kahr K9 - but don't tell anyone. :nono:
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Re: Just a dumb question . Hospitals ??

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46.035 is poorly written at best! I have yet to figure out why the author started out with a fairly black and white description of where you cannot carry....then for some reason throwing in exceptions....

Seems like there should be some bright, young, upstart intern working for a State Rep. that could work up a matrix table of where you can, can't, needs sign info that could replace all of the double-speak in the code and make all of the CHL training easier.

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Hey ! just for 'fun' I'm going to call my two county hospitals in Wichita county and inquire if they allow CC with proper procedure . I'll get back to you pretty quick , aaaawwww well maybe . Is there anyone here that will bail me out if LEO's show up at my door ?

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Okie dokie , since I'm a friendly / harmless old guy the folks were very nice , I'll give them credit for that . Kell West Regional Hospital , talked to the head security person and although friendly assured me there was no CC with any kind of procedure . United Regional Health Care System ( the big , main hospital ) said NO CARRY ! Both said they had signs Guess I'm out of luck in my county , dont know if their signs are legal but I dont have the resources to test the system . DANG IT ! I think I answered My own question !!!!!

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You can even carry at church! Prohibition went away same time as hospital and Nursing home... ;-)
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Hey there wgoforth , did you read the last post . I dont know ......... dont think I want to test the system , got to make a living and finish raising a 14 year old . Hang tough my friend and please comment often ! PS. I can not help but think of all the " go forth's in the bible when I see your name. "

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chuckj, Kell West has a legitimate 30-06 at the front door but not at any other entrance. FYI.

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The west entrance , never paid any attention , was in charge of the shut in's in church and have ben through that entrance a thousand times . If your from here looks like I might have to make good on that mexican dinner sooner than I figured on , LOL . If so just pm me and lets go to dinner packing !

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When did that change? I thought you could not carry in Hospitals, nursing homes and churches. :headscratch
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If memory serves me correctly dont forget Hospitals that are associated with Universitys being off limits even if not posted. UT, Baylor to name a few.
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mommagamber wrote:When did that change? I thought you could not carry in Hospitals, nursing homes and churches. :headscratch
PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:
(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;
(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event;
(3) on the premises of a correctional facility;
(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home administration, as appropriate;
(5) in an amusement park; or
(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.

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(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.
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Re: Just a dumb question . Hospitals ??

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chuck j wrote:Ok , I know I'll get flack on this for being stupid but ; there is no carry in a hospital , is a private practice doctors office a hospital , a dentist , a private clinic , etc ?
I would be wary if the hospital is a teaching hospital like UTMB, or Baylor. That seems to be a hiccup. We had a guy get life flighted to UTMB after a horrible car accident, and was charged because he had a concealed handgun. Took him two years to fight it, to get it dropped. He was lucky to have more fluid resources, but others with less financial resources would be in a worse situation. It wasn't fair in my opinion because quite obviously, he didn't willingly choose to bring his firearm into the teaching hospital but that didn't stop them from charging him.

The moral of the story is that even if something is logical, don't asume that it will be interpreted logically.,

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Wow , thats an interesting story MamaK ! Could you give some more details ? He had a CHL and was prosecuted after being in an accident and ................. ?
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