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[austin-tatious]

So even if they HAD gotten the 30.06 signs right, and even if it IS for a government meeting, the signs would be inapplicable because the property is owned or leased by the city.

I was with you up until this statement. Where else are governmental meetings held, but government property? However, I think the actual meeting room is the only thing off limits and not the entire building.

My only question is what constitutes a "meeting?" Does two people getting together qualify as a meeting that cold prohibit a CHL from carrying? Supposing they would also properly post a 30.06 sign.

Section 30.06 explicitly states that the entire section is not applicable to buildings owned or leased by a goverment. It does not differentiate individual rooms within said buildings. Now, if the meeting was being held at the VFW, or at a church, or a convention center, or a hotel auditorium, or a performance hall, or a home... then a correct 30.06 sign would bar a CHL from carrying in the meeting.

I believe you have that backwards. PC30.06(e) states that it is an exception to this section (30.06) that the property is owned or leased by a govt. entity -- and is not otherwise prohibited under 46.03 or 46.035.

It is section 46.035(c) that state a license holder commits an offense by carrying a gun at a meeting of a govt. entity. So that restriction (not carrying at a govt. meeting) is still valid.

Then 46.035(i) further modified THAT by stating that (c) does not apply if 30.06 effective notice was not given.

So, ultimately, all this boils down to NOT being able to carry at a govt. meeting if proper 30.06 notice is given, EVEN ON GOVT. OWNED OR LEASED PROPERTY.

Also, the prohibition against carrying at a govt. meeting is for carrying "...at any meeting...", NOT carrying in the premises where the meeting is taking place. So, you can carry in the building where it's taking place, just not in the ROOM where it's taking place.

The state capitol building is the perfect example of this. You can carry in the building when the legislature is in session, but not in the house and senate chambers when they are in session AND the proper 30.06 posting is at the entrance to the chambers...which it is at that time.

[Tahoe132]

A lot of good points. Can someone suggest who I can wright to, maybe someone at the Frisco City Hall or something, asking why that is posted and what exactally they meant by it? I think it is a pretty new building.

[Shinesintx]

I realize this is an older thread...just wondered if anyone in Frisco contacted someone?

I have been carrying in the Library under the assumption that I was legal. The other day I entered from the norhtwest to pay a water bill and saw the sign. The library doors Northeast side is not posted. Its really confusing and depends on which doors you enter.

If one enters from the North, one will see a revolving door. On each side of the revolving door, there are two doors. If you enter to the right (right side, or west side from the North) you see the 30.06

If entered from the left (the library side) there is no 30.06 sign. Very confusing. (scratches head)

It sure would not be fun to get arrested in the library while taking my 5 year old to get some books.

[Keith B]

I realize this is an older thread...just wondered if anyone in Frisco contacted someone?

I have been carrying in the Library under the assumption that I was legal. The other day I entered from the norhtwest to pay a water bill and saw the sign. The library doors Northeast side is not posted. Its really confusing and depends on which doors you enter.

If one enters from the North, one will see a revolving door. On each side of the revolving door, there are two doors. If you enter to the right (right side, or west side from the North) you see the 30.06

If entered from the left (the library side) there is no 30.06 sign. Very confusing. (scratches head)

It sure would not be fun to get arrested in the library while taking my 5 year old to get some books.

The Frisco Public Library is owned by thee city, so the signs are invalid anyway.

[RPB]

If invalid/unenforceable signs bother you, you could write the City Attorney, CC: EACH member of City Council, City Manager/Mayor, Police Chief, City Secretary ... Often they all see they all got it and start discussing it as water cooler talk ... and it gets fixed.

I usually send my letters anonymously as a concerned taxpayer trying to save the city money .... we no longer have invalid signs in my city (County Tax Authority took theirs down too ) and several surrounding cities removed invalid/unenforceable signs and changed/repealed outdated ordinances.

At any rate, even if the sign remains ... it puts them on notice, in case of a "bad arrest" and as such could be used as evidence against the city that they knew or should have known ... in a federal civil suit for damages for civil rights violations/false arrest since a good faith arrest can't be made for something which is not illegal ... and they had been put on notice ....

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