Are you able to carry on your job site and do you?
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I work for a defense contractor. I searched all of our HR documents and could not find anything prohibiting weapons so I carry at work, carry at home, carry at church, carry at walmart.......About the only place I dont carry is in the shower or in the bed, or when I have to go to the Base for business.
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I own a small business that does tractor work, fencing, and all types of ranch work. I have encourged all my employees to get thier CHL. I carry 24/7, except when I worked at Ft. Hood.
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I thought this when here after Venus pax's post about working at a Gun free zoneVenus Pax wrote:I work in a "gun free school zone". Criminals aren't allowed to bring guns onto our campus. We have signs up. The signs will stop them. Really.
Hypothetically, if the signs weren't to cause within them a great spiritual awakening, and they still managed to enter our force-shield protected building, it would be the fault of all "you people" that cling to that out-dated notion that the Second Amendment is an individual right.
"Gun-Free Zones" Mean: No Guns--Except for Criminals
by William Atwell
of http://www.concealedcampus.orgThe latest violent offenses on college campuses leave many people wondering what could have been done beforehand to stop these massacres. There has been extensive legislation enacted in the US with prescribed declarations of intent to stop easy access to weapons. Have these laws created a safer society? Considering the murder rate was much lower in the 1950's with virtually no school shootings, and when there were few if any restrictions on the purchasing of guns, we can see that these laws do not deter violent criminals. Some gun legislation is appropriate and necessary, but the very nature of being a criminal designates that they will not obey the law in purchasing a firearm, or using a firearm; that's why they're criminals. The law confines law-abiding citizens. It's the criminal that will purchase guns illegally, carry them illegally, and use them illegally. There is no way to enforce gun laws until after a crime has been committed and people are dead.
With this problem in mind, what has our vast amount of legislation done to deter criminals from committing bloody massacres on college and university campuses? Virginia Tech, Northern Illinois University, Omaha mall, Kirkwood City Council, and other places have been designated as "gun-free zones," and yet did nothing to stop dozens of murders. Why is that, you ask? Maybe it's because law-abiding citizens with state-issued Concealed Carry Permits (CCW) weren't allowed to bring their handguns on campus. Instead they obeyed the law while the shooters clearly weren't concerned with the law. Is it a surprise that a sign saying "Gun-Free Zone" didn't change the course of action of a deranged, psychopathic criminal?
People who want a CCW must be 21 years of age and lack mental or physical infirmity which would prevent the safe handling of a firearm. They must also take the necessary firearm and legal training course, and must allow the Sheriff's department to run a background check which requires verifying valid US and state citizenship, clean felony and domestic violence record, and other restrictions. After meeting all of these requirements, they are issued a CCW and may carry a firearm in virtually all places in society, but these qualified individuals have their right to bear arms suspended once they step on campus.
Regardless of your opinion on guns, it should not settle very comfortably in your stomach for any right of a US citizen to be suspended for virtually no reason. The government doesn't suspend our right to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of assembly, or freedom to petition the government in any particular location on a permanent basis. Federal law exempts citizens who carry a CCW in school gun-free zones, so why does North Carolina state law exhibit this prohibition? How is a college or university campus different than the mall, street, parking lot, office building, or church? If a student is qualified enough to carry a concealed weapon for self-protection in virtually all other places, they should be granted the same freedom on campus.
If just one student from Virginia Tech possessed a firearm on the day of the massacre other than the shooter, Seung-Hui Cho, many lives could have been saved. Is the state really concerned that licensed CCW holders are going to commit the heinous crime of mass murder? CCW holders have been statistically proven to be five-times less likely to commit a violent crime than a non-CCW holder. Law makers know that all the measures taken to unarm people like Cho have obviously failed, and yet CCW carriers are still being restricted from protecting themselves. I do not stand against the felony restriction, the mental and physical incapacity restriction, or other similar restrictions, but good, honest, law abiding citizens are being put in harms way, without just cause.
As a state, we need to stand up for our rights, and ensure the protection of our students. The administration and police department could not act fast enough to save 32 lives at Virginia Tech, or 5 lives at Northern Illinois University. The victim is the first line of defense in the event of a tragedy. The Second Amendment ensures that people can effectively defend themselves, rather than rely solely on things like prayer and cell phones. Both are good backups, but not good supplements. Qualified citizens deserve the right to self-defense. This is especially the case when the government is unable to ensure reasonable levels of protection against criminals, who care nothing about "gun-free zones."
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I work in a seriously gun free zone -- a federal prison. So, no.
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I work for a company that prohibits firearms. Including for those that have a CHL. Although that is stated in the employee’s manual, the wording does not express in any form 30.06. The business I am in requires me to visit many people that live in unsavory neighborhoods. In my opinion I might get fired for carrying, but I would not be arrested. Would I rather be unemployed than dead? If my weapons are really concealed, do I worry about it? I’m just thinking out loud, I’ve decided what the right thing to do is, so must you.
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I work as a contractor performing computer network and data communications consulting and support. I've never been notified in any way by any of my clients that carrying is prohibited. With the exception of one of my clients that has a building marked with PC 30.06, I always carry. Many of my clients know that I am a CHL instructor, but none have ever asked or commented on whether or not I carry while on site. Several of my clients have taken my class.
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I own my own business. I carry almost constantly. I'm usually restricted to a pocket gun because I wear khaki's and a polo style shirt tucked in 90% of the time. Unfortunately, alot of the companies I do business with are hospitals which have posted compliant 30.06 signs, so those are the ONLY places I do not carry. If they have a non-compliant sign, I carry right past. I do sometimes have to take clients out for dinner or drinks. If they request to go for drinks, I have a specific bar in town that I take them to. I don't carry in the bar, obviously. But I know the bar tender there, and when I go in, he makes me a "special" Crown and Coke. Which is Coke and no Crown in a short glass.
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I'm retired USBP. Went to seminary and found someone crazy enough to ordain me. I now work as a field staff person in the health care area. Do I carry? Yes.
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I teach at a local music store, and it is not posted 30.06. I haven't received my license, but I have given consideration as to whether I would carry at work. I have not decided one way or the other, however I am hesitant due to the amount of children that come in the store.
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I would say that is a good reason TO carry. If you are entrusted with the care of children, I think that is all the more reason to be able to defend them if a situation arose where you would need to use your firearm. Keep it concealed and yourself prepared to handle a bad situation.thankGod wrote:I teach at a local music store, and it is not posted 30.06. I haven't received my license, but I have given consideration as to whether I would carry at work. I have not decided one way or the other, however I am hesitant due to the amount of children that come in the store.
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I know you might be dealing with this from an emotional point of view, so please don't take this the wrong way, but: a holstered gun on your hip doesn't become dangerous in the presence of children.thankGod wrote:I have not decided one way or the other, however I am hesitant due to the amount of children that come in the store.
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Big company in San Antonio, all weapons and firearms prohibited via policy on all property 'including concealed handgun license holders'. No 30.06 legal text - so, from my interpretation, no criminal trespass could be successfully prosecuted, but enough to prevent me. Everywhere else not 30.06 posted/ 51% establishment, I carry.
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I am a land surveyor in private practice (25 years as of 04/01/08), with my son that received his professional registration 4 years ago as well. Our work takes us into the woods, suburbs, city, client's offices, abstract offices, and unfortunately court houses. What a pain to disarm just to go to the county clerk's office to research! Everywhere else I carry. My .38 snub with combination of 2 shot shells and 3 jhp's is the normal carry in the brush, and either a KT PF9 or a Sig 239/40 when in less "snake prone" areas. A KT P3AT in a small IWB holster in my left cowboy boot top on more "dress-up" days, when a cover garment just don't work!
I also carry a Kimber Compact OWB-Open on office days. It's fun to see the reaction of certain clients, which in my neck of the woods is either "NO" reaction at all, or just a smile!
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I also carry a Kimber Compact OWB-Open on office days. It's fun to see the reaction of certain clients, which in my neck of the woods is either "NO" reaction at all, or just a smile!
I love my life
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I work for an Oil/Gas company in Plano, TX. The company was acquired by another company about 6 months ago. When I started working, I asked for a current company handbook. Because of the change, non has been provided as of yet. Because of that, I carry every day on my ankle. I feel safe, and honestly, I feel good being able to protect my fellow co-workers. ASAP, I hope to be provided with a current company policy. Until that time, I plan to carry every day.
In my situation, since the buyout, all of the upper lever managers were bought out. I now report to someone in Tulsa, OK. Since I have asked for and haven't been provided with an updated company manual, I think I'm doing the right thing by carrying. If anyone has any other info regarding my situation, I would love to hear it. I'm sure I'm legal, but if not, please let me know.
In my situation, since the buyout, all of the upper lever managers were bought out. I now report to someone in Tulsa, OK. Since I have asked for and haven't been provided with an updated company manual, I think I'm doing the right thing by carrying. If anyone has any other info regarding my situation, I would love to hear it. I'm sure I'm legal, but if not, please let me know.
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I manage a sand & gravel mining operation spanning 725 acres. Only 110 have been logged with about 50 cleared. I carry everyday with written permission.