Is Your Church / Synagogue / Mosque Posting 30.07?

[jmra]

My church posted 30.07 signs, but no 30.06. To my knowledge, nothing has been said or announced, just quietly implemented.

CC is very prevalent in our congregation. Normal Sunday attendance is around 6500+, and I suspect we have 200+ carrying each Sunday, not counting the off-duty LEOs. I know for a fact that out of our 20 member Sunday School class, almost half have their LTC and most carry every Sunday (many of the wives don't always carry at church as they are often working with kids at some point).

If your normal attendance is 6500 and you have 200+ carrying, you are way above statistical probabilities.
I'd be willing to bet your estimate is way off. I'll explain: LTC makes up 3% of the population (3% of 6500 is 195). Obviously demographics can skew this number some but not by much. It's safe to say that at least half of LTC holders rarely if ever carry. Statistics would suggest that at most there would be under 100. Given the number of times that people on this forum have been corrected regarding the incorrect belief that church carry is illegal and the number of LTC I've encountered that simply can't understand why someone would need to carry at church, I'd be willing to bet the number is substantially lower than 100.
I believed for a number of years that carry in our was significantly higher than it actually is until multiple conversations with people that I knew were licensed revealed that they either didn't carry at all or didn't carry at church. Of course YMMV.

There is over 900,000 CHL holders in Texas, I wonder what percentage of us are evangelical Christians?

Don't have time to look it up right now but IIRC not that long ago a big deal was made about more than 50% of the population being unchurched. Have no idea how those who are churched break down denomination wise. Not sure if our neck of the woods would be a little more churched or not or if churched people are more likely to obtain a LTC than unchurched. I haven't seen anything that would suggest that to be the case.

[mloamiller]

My church posted 30.07 signs, but no 30.06. To my knowledge, nothing has been said or announced, just quietly implemented.

CC is very prevalent in our congregation. Normal Sunday attendance is around 6500+, and I suspect we have 200+ carrying each Sunday, not counting the off-duty LEOs. I know for a fact that out of our 20 member Sunday School class, almost half have their LTC and most carry every Sunday (many of the wives don't always carry at church as they are often working with kids at some point).

If your normal attendance is 6500 and you have 200+ carrying, you are way above statistical probabilities.
I'd be willing to bet your estimate is way off. I'll explain: LTC makes up 3% of the population (3% of 6500 is 195). Obviously demographics can skew this number some but not by much. It's safe to say that at least half of LTC holders rarely if ever carry. Statistics would suggest that at most there would be under 100. Given the number of times that people on this forum have been corrected regarding the incorrect belief that church carry is illegal and the number of LTC I've encountered that simply can't understand why someone would need to carry at church, I'd be willing to bet the number is substantially lower than 100.
I believed for a number of years that carry in our was significantly higher than it actually is until multiple conversations with people that I knew were licensed revealed that they either didn't carry at all or didn't carry at church. Of course YMMV.

I obviously don't know the exact numbers, but I still feel my "suspicion" of 200+ is a reasonable estimate. I base that on the number of people I know personally that carry each Sunday, compared to the total congregation. I gave one specific example - my Sunday School class of about 18-20 in which 9 of us have a license (50%), and 6 carry every Sunday (30%); more on some Sundays. I know of many, many others in the church that carry, and I only know a very small percentage of the entire congregation.

Mathematical science? Nope; that's why I only "suspect" it. Could I be wrong? Sure.

[troglodyte]

My church posted 30.07 signs, but no 30.06. To my knowledge, nothing has been said or announced, just quietly implemented.

CC is very prevalent in our congregation. Normal Sunday attendance is around 6500+, and I suspect we have 200+ carrying each Sunday, not counting the off-duty LEOs. I know for a fact that out of our 20 member Sunday School class, almost half have their LTC and most carry every Sunday (many of the wives don't always carry at church as they are often working with kids at some point).

If your normal attendance is 6500 and you have 200+ carrying, you are way above statistical probabilities.
I'd be willing to bet your estimate is way off. I'll explain: LTC makes up 3% of the population (3% of 6500 is 195). Obviously demographics can skew this number some but not by much. It's safe to say that at least half of LTC holders rarely if ever carry. Statistics would suggest that at most there would be under 100. Given the number of times that people on this forum have been corrected regarding the incorrect belief that church carry is illegal and the number of LTC I've encountered that simply can't understand why someone would need to carry at church, I'd be willing to bet the number is substantially lower than 100.
I believed for a number of years that carry in our was significantly higher than it actually is until multiple conversations with people that I knew were licensed revealed that they either didn't carry at all or didn't carry at church. Of course YMMV.

In our congregation of approx 1500 I know of well over 100 members that have or at least have had their CHL in the last 10 years because I either set up the class for them or taught them after I became an instructor. I also know that there a a good number that had their's previously or got theirs from a different instructor. How many do I not know about? I estimate we have about 150 licensed in our congregation. I would t be surprised if there were many more. How many carry? Not as many as I would like.

[C-dub]

Disciples of Christ in Burnet posted a nice polite sign (I forgot my phone to take a photo)

"As a consideration for our... please do not carry openly... 30.07.... Official 30.07 notice will be presented to you upon entering.... "

(and inside were cards with the proper language, so you could take one if so inclined)

So concealed carry is still ok there.

Are these cards just sitting there for people to pick up if they want to or are they actually being handed out? If the former, I don't think that is effective notice.

[Oldgringo]

Uhm,....er,...what is an Evangelican Christian? This term has been mentioned more than once in this thread and I am curious what/who it pertains to.

[jmra]

My church posted 30.07 signs, but no 30.06. To my knowledge, nothing has been said or announced, just quietly implemented.

CC is very prevalent in our congregation. Normal Sunday attendance is around 6500+, and I suspect we have 200+ carrying each Sunday, not counting the off-duty LEOs. I know for a fact that out of our 20 member Sunday School class, almost half have their LTC and most carry every Sunday (many of the wives don't always carry at church as they are often working with kids at some point).

If your normal attendance is 6500 and you have 200+ carrying, you are way above statistical probabilities.
I'd be willing to bet your estimate is way off. I'll explain: LTC makes up 3% of the population (3% of 6500 is 195). Obviously demographics can skew this number some but not by much. It's safe to say that at least half of LTC holders rarely if ever carry. Statistics would suggest that at most there would be under 100. Given the number of times that people on this forum have been corrected regarding the incorrect belief that church carry is illegal and the number of LTC I've encountered that simply can't understand why someone would need to carry at church, I'd be willing to bet the number is substantially lower than 100.
I believed for a number of years that carry in our was significantly higher than it actually is until multiple conversations with people that I knew were licensed revealed that they either didn't carry at all or didn't carry at church. Of course YMMV.

In our congregation of approx 1500 I know of well over 100 members that have or at least have had their CHL in the last 10 years because I either set up the class for them or taught them after I became an instructor. I also know that there a a good number that had their's previously or got theirs from a different instructor. How many do I not know about? I estimate we have about 150 licensed in our congregation. I would t be surprised if there were many more. How many carry? Not as many as I would like.

It would be interesting to know how many failed to renew and how many are current but simply do not carry. Over the last several years I have done some very unscientific research where in causal conversation I ask a number of question whenever I learn someone has or has had a LTC. What I have learned through that research is that less than 25% of LTC holders carry regularly after at least one month of obtaining their LTC. It seems that the most common response I hear for not carrying is the difficulting in concealing a weapon. I found this to be the case with 90% of the women I have spoken to. My wife is a prime example of a LTC holder of 7 years who has resisted dressing around a firearm and will not purse carry. She always has a firearm in the car, but I can count on one hand how many times she has actually CCed.
I was also surprised at the number of people I have encountered who went through the process without ever intending to carry, it was simply a way for the individual to make a political statement. I don't know what the renewal percentages are, but I have spoken to many who didn't renew simply because they never carried. I was also very surprised at the number of people I have spoken to who took a class but never submitted the paperwork. When asked why the responses varied from procrastination to being overwhelmed with the level of responsibility associated with carry to learning that they did not qualify based on information given in the class.
The most surprising results of my non-scientific research is people that I would have sworn would not leave the house for church unarmed had either stopped carrying at church or had stopped carrying altogether. I blame complacency.
ETA: just out of curiosity, when you say that you have helped 100 people in the church obtain their LTC, is that 100 people that took your class or 100 people who actually followed through and obtained their license? The reason I ask is I have a friend who attended a large church and gave free or greatly reduced classes twice a year at the the church. He stopped doing it because in following up with those who attended he discovered that the majority who attended never got around to submitting the paperwork. Just wondering what your experience has been.

[OldCurlyWolf]

Mine is not and never will.

It has a membership of 1 and I am not issuing any invitations to join nor considering any requests.

[troglodyte]

ETA: just out of curiosity, when you say that you have helped 100 people in the church obtain their LTC, is that 100 people that took your class or 100 people who actually followed through and obtained their license? The reason I ask is I have a friend who attended a large church and gave free or greatly reduced classes twice a year at the the church. He stopped doing it because in following up with those who attended he discovered that the majority who attended never got around to submitting the paperwork. Just wondering what your experience has been.

Before I became an instructor I set up classes for a friend of a friend held at our congregation. Almost all in attendance were members. After I became an instructor I carried on. They were all paying customers and I followed up with most of them to see if they got their license. How many renewed is a question as I don't make it a habit of checking up on them years later.

I know many don't carry on a regular basis.

[WildBill]

Uhm,....er,...what is an Evangelican Christian? This term has been mentioned more than once in this thread and I am curious what/who it pertains to.

Evangelism is sharing the good news of the salvation that is available through Jesus Christ. An evangelical, then, is a person dedicated to promoting the good news about Jesus Christ. Combined, the description "evangelical Christian" is intended to indicate a believer in Jesus Christ who is faithful in sharing and promoting the good news.

[Richbirdhunter]

Uhm,....er,...what is an Evangelican Christian? This term has been mentioned more than once in this thread and I am curious what/who it pertains to.

Wanna go to church Sunday? I'll show you!

[Oldgringo]

Uhm,....er,...what is an Evangelican Christian? This term has been mentioned more than once in this thread and I am curious what/who it pertains to.

Thanks be to WildBill and Richbirdhunter, it appears that being of the First United Methodist persuasion qualifies one to be an Evangelican Christian, yes?

[Richbirdhunter]

Uhm,....er,...what is an Evangelican Christian? This term has been mentioned more than once in this thread and I am curious what/who it pertains to.

Thanks be to WildBill and Richbirdhunter, it appears that being of the First United Methodist persuasion qualifies one to be an Evangelican Christian, yes?

Yes!

[Oldgringo]

Uhm,....er,...what is an Evangelican Christian? This term has been mentioned more than once in this thread and I am curious what/who it pertains to.

Thanks be to WildBill and Richbirdhunter, it appears that being of the First United Methodist persuasion qualifies one to be an Evangelican Christian, yes?

Yes!

Oh Happy Day....

[The Annoyed Man]

My church posted 30.07 signs, but no 30.06. To my knowledge, nothing has been said or announced, just quietly implemented.

CC is very prevalent in our congregation. Normal Sunday attendance is around 6500+, and I suspect we have 200+ carrying each Sunday, not counting the off-duty LEOs. I know for a fact that out of our 20 member Sunday School class, almost half have their LTC and most carry every Sunday (many of the wives don't always carry at church as they are often working with kids at some point).

If your normal attendance is 6500 and you have 200+ carrying, you are way above statistical probabilities.
I'd be willing to bet your estimate is way off. I'll explain: LTC makes up 3% of the population (3% of 6500 is 195). Obviously demographics can skew this number some but not by much. It's safe to say that at least half of LTC holders rarely if ever carry. Statistics would suggest that at most there would be under 100. Given the number of times that people on this forum have been corrected regarding the incorrect belief that church carry is illegal and the number of LTC I've encountered that simply can't understand why someone would need to carry at church, I'd be willing to bet the number is substantially lower than 100.
I believed for a number of years that carry in our was significantly higher than it actually is until multiple conversations with people that I knew were licensed revealed that they either didn't carry at all or didn't carry at church. Of course YMMV.

There is over 900,000 CHL holders in Texas, I wonder what percentage of us are evangelical Christians?

I do not mean any disrespect (I am also an evangelical Christian), but 900,000 is approximately 3% (a little less, actually) of the population, and that 900,000 do not unanimously carry 24/7. The question really is, "what percentage of NON-CHL holders are not believers?" And, "will open carry in churches deter those that are not believers from entering a church to learn more about God?"

[Richbirdhunter]

My church posted 30.07 signs, but no 30.06. To my knowledge, nothing has been said or announced, just quietly implemented.

CC is very prevalent in our congregation. Normal Sunday attendance is around 6500+, and I suspect we have 200+ carrying each Sunday, not counting the off-duty LEOs. I know for a fact that out of our 20 member Sunday School class, almost half have their LTC and most carry every Sunday (many of the wives don't always carry at church as they are often working with kids at some point).

If your normal attendance is 6500 and you have 200+ carrying, you are way above statistical probabilities.
I'd be willing to bet your estimate is way off. I'll explain: LTC makes up 3% of the population (3% of 6500 is 195). Obviously demographics can skew this number some but not by much. It's safe to say that at least half of LTC holders rarely if ever carry. Statistics would suggest that at most there would be under 100. Given the number of times that people on this forum have been corrected regarding the incorrect belief that church carry is illegal and the number of LTC I've encountered that simply can't understand why someone would need to carry at church, I'd be willing to bet the number is substantially lower than 100.
I believed for a number of years that carry in our was significantly higher than it actually is until multiple conversations with people that I knew were licensed revealed that they either didn't carry at all or didn't carry at church. Of course YMMV.

There is over 900,000 CHL holders in Texas, I wonder what percentage of us are evangelical Christians?

I do not mean any disrespect (I am also an evangelical Christian), but 900,000 is approximately 3% (a little less, actually) of the population, and that 900,000 do not unanimously carry 24/7. The question really is, "what percentage of NON-CHL holders are not believers?" And, "will open carry in churches deter those that are not believers from entering a church to learn more about God?"

No disrespect taken TAM, I think from some of my other posts you have seen I'm not shy about inviting people to church, and I want them to be comfortable for sure. I should slow down some on my OC thoughts and give more time to let it blend into society.