Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

[cyphertext]

When I see a 30.06 sign, I know not to cross the threshold. See that way, I don't have to keep abreast of
the corporate policies of a particular business, well, every business. If Channel 4 did a story saying that Home Depot
didn't want concealed carry in their stores, everybody on this forum would be screaming that they should put up a 30.06 sign,
and rightfully so. Why is this different ?

But we're talking about open carry ( licensed open carry of handguns ), and those of us who might choose to open carry
( licensed open carry of handguns ) every once in a while are automatically...what ?....Wrong ? Stupid ?

The dozens of us who might choose that mode of carry appreciate your input.

Because with CC, without a sign they must verbally notify you, and unless they have someone posted at the door telling everyone that they are not welcome to carry the firearm, you probably won't receive notice. The gun is concealed, no one feels threatened, etc.

However, with OC, why post? Few will OC anyway, and just tell those that do that they are not welcome with the firearm. You are kinda easy to spot and give verbal notice to...

Most employees won't even notice.

But at some point someone will.

The law states what they must do at that point if they want the person to leave.

Exactly... they must provide verbal notice at that time... no sign needed and perfectly within the law.

One can enter concealed, eat, and then open carry on the way out and perfectly within the law provided no 30.07 sign is posted.

One could, but why? You don't agree with their stance, but you gave them your business and your money, and then showed your ass on the way out the door... Sounds like a great plan, if your goal is to force the business to restrict all means of carry.

[Right2Carry]

When I see a 30.06 sign, I know not to cross the threshold. See that way, I don't have to keep abreast of
the corporate policies of a particular business, well, every business. If Channel 4 did a story saying that Home Depot
didn't want concealed carry in their stores, everybody on this forum would be screaming that they should put up a 30.06 sign,
and rightfully so. Why is this different ?

But we're talking about open carry ( licensed open carry of handguns ), and those of us who might choose to open carry
( licensed open carry of handguns ) every once in a while are automatically...what ?....Wrong ? Stupid ?

The dozens of us who might choose that mode of carry appreciate your input.

Because with CC, without a sign they must verbally notify you, and unless they have someone posted at the door telling everyone that they are not welcome to carry the firearm, you probably won't receive notice. The gun is concealed, no one feels threatened, etc.

However, with OC, why post? Few will OC anyway, and just tell those that do that they are not welcome with the firearm. You are kinda easy to spot and give verbal notice to...

Most employees won't even notice.

But at some point someone will.

The law states what they must do at that point if they want the person to leave.

Exactly... they must provide verbal notice at that time... no sign needed and perfectly within the law.

One can enter concealed, eat, and then open carry on the way out and perfectly within the law provided no 30.07 sign is posted.

That would call in the childish and detrimental categories.

According to you. It might just show them that gun owners are nothing to fear. No law is broken and it is perfectly legal. Just like those Concealed Carriers who measure signs to make sure they meet the requirement and if not impose their views on private property owners, is that childish and detrimental? What about the concealed carry who searches for an entrance that isn't posted 30.06 after coming across one? Is his or her behavior childish and detremental to private property owners? What about those that ignore 30.06 signs because concealed is concealed? Are their actions childish and detrimental to those private property owners? This forum is littered with posts from concealed carry holders stating those exact things and yet I have not heard one of them called Childish or detrimental categories.

I guess you point only applies to those that support OC but not those who advocate circumventing CC laws and 30.06. If and when more signs go up after 1/1/2016 then I will say the irrational fears were well founded. Until then it is all speculation.

[mojo84]

What are you talking about? I never said anyone was childish and detrimental. I said the actions are. You do not know where I stand on any of the other things you mentioned. Nonetheless, they are not germane to this thread.

Rubbing someone's nose in something just to show them one outfitted them is childish and detrimental.

[Right2Carry]

What are you talking about? I never said anyone was childish and detrimental. I said the actions are. You do not know where I stand on any of the other things you mentioned. Nonetheless, they are not germane to this thread.

Rubbing someone's nose in something just to show them one outfitted them is childish and detrimental.

If someones actions are childish and immature this doesn't imply the person is? Please explain that one.

[Right2Carry]

When I see a 30.06 sign, I know not to cross the threshold. See that way, I don't have to keep abreast of
the corporate policies of a particular business, well, every business. If Channel 4 did a story saying that Home Depot
didn't want concealed carry in their stores, everybody on this forum would be screaming that they should put up a 30.06 sign,
and rightfully so. Why is this different ?

But we're talking about open carry ( licensed open carry of handguns ), and those of us who might choose to open carry
( licensed open carry of handguns ) every once in a while are automatically...what ?....Wrong ? Stupid ?

The dozens of us who might choose that mode of carry appreciate your input.

Because with CC, without a sign they must verbally notify you, and unless they have someone posted at the door telling everyone that they are not welcome to carry the firearm, you probably won't receive notice. The gun is concealed, no one feels threatened, etc.

However, with OC, why post? Few will OC anyway, and just tell those that do that they are not welcome with the firearm. You are kinda easy to spot and give verbal notice to...

Most employees won't even notice.

But at some point someone will.

The law states what they must do at that point if they want the person to leave.

Exactly... they must provide verbal notice at that time... no sign needed and perfectly within the law.

One can enter concealed, eat, and then open carry on the way out and perfectly within the law provided no 30.07 sign is posted.

That would fall in the childish and detrimental categories.

If one had on a cover garment and the only seat was by a window and it got hot, him or her removing the cover garment because they were unconfortable is childish and detrimental even though it is legal and there is not 30.07 sign? Yep excercising ones legal right within the law is always childish and detrimental. I am sure many considered our founding founders childish and detrimental when establishing this nation.

[Taypo]

When I see a 30.06 sign, I know not to cross the threshold. See that way, I don't have to keep abreast of
the corporate policies of a particular business, well, every business. If Channel 4 did a story saying that Home Depot
didn't want concealed carry in their stores, everybody on this forum would be screaming that they should put up a 30.06 sign,
and rightfully so. Why is this different ?

But we're talking about open carry ( licensed open carry of handguns ), and those of us who might choose to open carry
( licensed open carry of handguns ) every once in a while are automatically...what ?....Wrong ? Stupid ?

The dozens of us who might choose that mode of carry appreciate your input.

Because with CC, without a sign they must verbally notify you, and unless they have someone posted at the door telling everyone that they are not welcome to carry the firearm, you probably won't receive notice. The gun is concealed, no one feels threatened, etc.

However, with OC, why post? Few will OC anyway, and just tell those that do that they are not welcome with the firearm. You are kinda easy to spot and give verbal notice to...

Most employees won't even notice.

But at some point someone will.

The law states what they must do at that point if they want the person to leave.

Exactly... they must provide verbal notice at that time... no sign needed and perfectly within the law.

One can enter concealed, eat, and then open carry on the way out and perfectly within the law provided no 30.07 sign is posted.

That would fall in the childish and detrimental categories.

If one had on a cover garment and the only seat was by a window and it got hot, him or her removing the cover garment because they were unconfortable is childish and detrimental even though it is legal and there is not 30.07 sign? Yep excercising ones legal right within the law is always childish and detrimental. I am sure many considered our founding founders childish and detrimental when establishing this nation.

Get off your soapbox. You're comparing your pettly little attempt to get even with Whataburger by uncovering on yiur way out to the founding fathers? That's awesome. A handful more of you is all the antis need to make their point FOR them.

[Cjwglock19]

Guess I'm in the minority... They are asking you not to carry openly. They are not asking you not to carry. The are respecting your right, just asking you to respect their wish in the process.

[jmra]

Guess I'm in the minority... They are asking you not to carry openly. They are not asking you not to carry. The are respecting your right, just asking you to respect their wish in the process.

But I don't think you are in the minority.

[jocat54]

Guess I'm in the minority... They are asking you not to carry openly. They are not asking you not to carry. The are respecting your right, just asking you to respect their wish in the process.

Yeppers, have to agree with that.

[carlson1]

When I see a 30.06 sign, I know not to cross the threshold. See that way, I don't have to keep abreast of
the corporate policies of a particular business, well, every business. If Channel 4 did a story saying that Home Depot
didn't want concealed carry in their stores, everybody on this forum would be screaming that they should put up a 30.06 sign,
and rightfully so. Why is this different ?

But we're talking about open carry ( licensed open carry of handguns ), and those of us who might choose to open carry
( licensed open carry of handguns ) every once in a while are automatically...what ?....Wrong ? Stupid ?

The dozens of us who might choose that mode of carry appreciate your input.

Because with CC, without a sign they must verbally notify you, and unless they have someone posted at the door telling everyone that they are not welcome to carry the firearm, you probably won't receive notice. The gun is concealed, no one feels threatened, etc.

However, with OC, why post? Few will OC anyway, and just tell those that do that they are not welcome with the firearm. You are kinda easy to spot and give verbal notice to...

Most employees won't even notice.

But at some point someone will.

The law states what they must do at that point if they want the person to leave.

Exactly... they must provide verbal notice at that time... no sign needed and perfectly within the law.

One can enter concealed, eat, and then open carry on the way out and perfectly within the law provided no 30.07 sign is posted.

That would fall in the childish and detrimental categories.

It was also fall into the rebellion category and that is what the majority of Open Carriers are.

[gdanaher]

They are now going in the direction that oc is the only true carry and only true defense, and cc is not actually carrying at all and presents no level of safety. It just gets better and better. It's becoming a religion to some of these folks.

[jmra]

They are now going in the direction that oc is the only true carry and only true defense, and cc is not actually carrying at all and presents no level of safety. It just gets better and better. It's becoming a religion to some of these folks.

[Right2Carry]

When I see a 30.06 sign, I know not to cross the threshold. See that way, I don't have to keep abreast of
the corporate policies of a particular business, well, every business. If Channel 4 did a story saying that Home Depot
didn't want concealed carry in their stores, everybody on this forum would be screaming that they should put up a 30.06 sign,
and rightfully so. Why is this different ?

But we're talking about open carry ( licensed open carry of handguns ), and those of us who might choose to open carry
( licensed open carry of handguns ) every once in a while are automatically...what ?....Wrong ? Stupid ?

The dozens of us who might choose that mode of carry appreciate your input.

Because with CC, without a sign they must verbally notify you, and unless they have someone posted at the door telling everyone that they are not welcome to carry the firearm, you probably won't receive notice. The gun is concealed, no one feels threatened, etc.

However, with OC, why post? Few will OC anyway, and just tell those that do that they are not welcome with the firearm. You are kinda easy to spot and give verbal notice to...

Most employees won't even notice.

But at some point someone will.

The law states what they must do at that point if they want the person to leave.

Exactly... they must provide verbal notice at that time... no sign needed and perfectly within the law.

One can enter concealed, eat, and then open carry on the way out and perfectly within the law provided no 30.07 sign is posted.

That would fall in the childish and detrimental categories.

If one had on a cover garment and the only seat was by a window and it got hot, him or her removing the cover garment because they were unconfortable is childish and detrimental even though it is legal and there is not 30.07 sign? Yep excercising ones legal right within the law is always childish and detrimental. I am sure many considered our founding founders childish and detrimental when establishing this nation.

Get off your soapbox. You're comparing your pettly little attempt to get even with Whataburger by uncovering on yiur way out to the founding fathers? That's awesome. A handful more of you is all the antis need to make their point FOR them.

Never said I was going to do anything? Never said I was going to OC there at all. I only posed a scenario that could happen in regards to OC at whatburger that wasn't properly posted with 30.07 and would be perfectly legal. I am sorry if those following the law irritates you so much. I am sorry we have differing opinions but we will just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Right2Carry]

They are now going in the direction that oc is the only true carry and only true defense, and cc is not actually carrying at all and presents no level of safety. It just gets better and better. It's becoming a religion to some of these folks.

Please cite your source for this informatiom?

[G.A. Heath]

Right2Carry: In regards to the folks who reportedly follow the "Concealed is Concealed" and carry past a valid 30.06, or search for an entrance that is not posted, such actions are criminal and the encouragement of those actions would be a violation of the rules one must abide by in order to participate in this forum. With that in mind I suspect you are talking about those who carry past an invalid sign. It is reasonable to expect someone to meet the requirements of the law they are trying to use, if they do not meet those requirements it could be taken as a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge" situation to placate both sides, or it could be something else entirely. This is a whole different can of worms than what you want to have happen at Whataburger.

You want to reveal your weapon before leaving Whataburger in order to make a point? That comes close, if not meets, the "in a manner calculated to cause alarm" requirement for Disorderly Conduct and Whataburger may even choose to print the 30.07 language on their receipt so you might want to read that as well. Should you get them to post their business with 30.06 as a result of your "carry concealed until your ready to leave then disrupt operations on your way out the door" strategy how have you advanced gun rights and advocated for the second amendment? You haven't, instead you have set them back and given the anti-gunners another Fat-man and Little Boy at Chili's to point to so they can reenforce those stereotypes they like to throw on us. Overall I would seriously warn you to reconsider your plans and carefully implement your operation in order to avoid giving the other side ammunition to use against you and everyone else.