Panera and Target 30.06?

[cowhow]

What's the status with Panera out right banning weapons in their places of business? I understand Target isn't far behind, but at least isn't enforcing their no gun policy. It seems I'm getting dinged pretty regularly from 30.06.com about businesses, mostly in the Houston area, posting signage. For us CHL holders I think it's important to educate the non-carrying public while at the same time distancing ourselves from others who are more adamant in their convictions and methods. What's troubling to me is that once the big box stores get on board with a no gun policy it could easily trickle down to others.

I don't mean to be melodramatic, it just seems to be a growing trend. If there were aspects of a business that made carrying impractical I can understand posting. For example, it's awkward to carry in a doctor's office when you're the one getting an exam. Otherwise, what's the real point of posting? From my perspective it's clearly an open vendetta against gun owners.

So, someone please tell me I'm obsessing over nothing and calm my nerves...please. OK, now I'm done ranting.

Tony

[oohrah]

Panera in Waco is not posted anything as of last week.

[The Annoyed Man]

Tony,

Go to Texas3006.com. Join. Search the database. Add your contributions. Note changes you find to any current status.

A recent increase in the number 30.06 signs is a DIRECT fallout from all the ill-conceived Open Carry Texas demonstrations with long guns.

<rant>
THANK you all you crazy people for screwing it up for the rest of us. You said you were trying to "educate" the public". Well......you did. You taught them to be scared of crazies with guns, and to demand that businesses post signs to keep them out.

And here we are.....
</rant>

[mojo84]

I just read an NRA facebook link to an article that specifically says Panera is not going to put up signs.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101979812#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think we all have to keep in mind, they are saying this but are not taking the necessary steps to prohibit legal concealed carry. This give the crazy moms some appeasement and makes them think they've won without having a negative effect on us.

We need to remain calm and let cooler heads prevail.

[MeMelYup]

I just read an NRA facebook link to an article that specifically says Panera is not going to put up signs.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101979812#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think we all have to keep in mind, they are saying this but are not taking the necessary steps to prohibit legal concealed carry. This give the crazy moms some appeasement and makes them think they've won without having a negative effect on us.

We need to remain calm and let cooler heads prevail.

The only thing it gives them is bragging rights, nothing else.

[Zencyl]

I really doubt either is going to post signage. I think they are just trying to keep the open carry demonstrators out, which keeps all the crazy anti-gun people quiet because they can't see that we are carrying. Words are enough to shut up the moms aginst guns and all those groups, but we know they also don't carry any weight as to CC.

[spongeworthy]

CEO Ron Shaich added that Panera was "respectfully requesting" customers to leave their firearms at home, but will continue to follow state and local firearms laws.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /15285663/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[C-dub]

Cowhow, what do you mean by "dinged" regarding 30.06.com?

[Special_k300]

The 30.06 sign says nothing about a rifle just that it's illegal to carry a concealed handgun. Therefore, it's still legal to carry a loaded rifle? I wouldn't but I'm just wondering.

[cowhow]

Cowhow, what do you mean by "dinged" regarding 30.06.com?

email notifications.

[C-dub]

Cowhow, what do you mean by "dinged" regarding 30.06.com?

email notifications.

Ah, okay. Being notified of someone putting up a notification in an areas you've selected to monitor and being notified of someone else commenting on that notification. I get those too, but the areas I have chosen to monitor are close to home and much smaller than Houston. I only get about 1-2 notifications a month and sometimes go for 2-3 months without one at all. Well, I did forget that I included Dallas in my area, but I still don't get many notifications for one of the other great liberal bastions in the state.

[txcharvel]

Tony,

A recent increase in the number 30.06 signs is a DIRECT fallout from all the ill-conceived Open Carry Texas demonstrations with long guns.

<rant>
THANK you all you crazy people for screwing it up for the rest of us. You said you were trying to "educate" the public". Well......you did. You taught them to be scared of crazies with guns, and to demand that businesses post signs to keep them out.

And here we are.....
</rant>

The more I see this the madder it makes me...the open carry folks really have no clue

[thetexan]

30.06 notification requires one of two things....

1. a verbal notification........or
2. a written notification in the form of a document, card, or sign.

Number one must be verbal.
Number two must have identical language to that specified in 30.06.

So far what we have, like Target, is a written (in the form of a news story) request. That is not verbal and so far, as far as I know, there are not signs or written documents or cards.

We chl holders must live by that statute. So must they. I'm happy to take my money elsewhere, but before I do they will need to comply with 30.06. Too many stores want to 'kinda let it be known' in a round about way to avoid the negative press or reaction. And everytime this happens, if a chl'er takes the attitude...'well, they must not want my money so I'll go somewhere else'...that chl'er is simply being run off by the mere mention of an anti gun philosophy. Let Target and Panera play by the same state rules we play by. If they dont want guns let them post accordingly and be open about it as per 30.06.

My feeling is that they actually DO want chl'ers. By making press statements they put out the public impression to the community that 'they want a 'safe' environment and hope to garner support from that side of the community, while knowing full well that chl'ers will carry anyway (for lack of 30.06 notification) and 'ensure' that very safety they are purporting to have to the community. Like in the movie A Few Good Men deep down inside in places they don't like to talk about at parties, they need us there, they want us there.

The 'they don't support guns...I'll take my money and business elsewhere' for places that are not 'gun friendly' (but dont give notice) is a weak argument as far as I'm concerned. Who cares? When they don't want guns, let them notify.....correctly. Until then, I still shop where I find good deals and eat where I find good food.

tex

[TexasCajun]

These corporate statements should be ignored. If the business posts signs, then we can get vocal. If the business says they won't bow to anti gun pressure, we should applaud & support them. Otherwise, we lend credence to the argument that these puppets are generating support. Absent their actual numbers, they'll point to the amount of alarm they create here & on other forums as "evidence". With no return on investment, they'll quickly move on to other wrong headed tactics.