Interesting question I was asked

[VMI77]

Black Friday sales are a scam. The data shows that store margins are actually HIGHER on Black Friday sales. That's MARGINS, not revenue, which during a real sale can be made up by volume.

[VMI77]

And one of the cappers, folks whose daughter is shopping for prices online and talking to them on the phone at the same time, and has found this washer and dryer "at Sears" for $479.00 and will we match that price, our price is $599.00. I tell them that I will have to confirm the price, and they tell me that there is no need for me to do that because their daughter has it online right now. When I check Sears, they are selling the same W&D for $0.99 each MORE than we are, and I tell them that under most circumstances I would be glad to match the price with Sears, but I cannot raise our prices. They swear up and down that the Sears price is $479.00 because their daughter has it up online now and besides Lowes has already told them that they would match the price. I very nicely suggested that they might want to go back to Lowes and get that price because we were not going to match it. They left.

After they left, I checked Sears Outlet and there, indeed, was the W&D for $479.00, but that was the carry out price for the "scratched, dented, returned or refurbished, clearance" W&D which also happened to be out of stock (we don't match on out of stock, clearance, refurbished, etc, as I had explained to them early on) and if you added the delivery fee in, and they were expecting delivery, their price was still $0.98 more than our price.

They came back about an hour later, after Lowes wouldn't match the price either, and I just happened to be the only person in the department, so they stood around for a few minutes and then went down to the other end of the store and waited until I left for lunch and then came back and still tried to get the price match one more time (I had clued in the person relieving me, and the manager, and he got a big kick out of it, because I had printed the Sears Outlet page and all he did was show it to them) and then bought at our price.

Reminds me of the guy who found a good deal on 12 year old single malt Scotch at the liquor store, but they were out. He went to another liquor store down the street and they had it, but it was $20 more a bottle. He told the guy behind the counter that the store down the street sold the same Scotch for $80, not $100; so the guy behind the counter told him "why don't you go back there and buy it then." The customer responded "because they're out." The guy behind the counter replied, "well, when we're out our price is also $80."

[Jim88]

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but I can't believe this is a question that anyone has to wonder about. Being in fear for your life is just a small part of the equation. Would you draw and start firing if those same people were trying to escape a fire in that store? If you have to think about it, concealed carry may not be for you.

[suthdj]

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but I can't believe this is a question that anyone has to wonder about. Being in fear for your life is just a small part of the equation. Would you draw and start firing if those same people were trying to escape a fire in that store? If you Don't think about it, concealed carry may not be for you.

There fixed it. The more things you think through now and come to a conclusion on the less time you will need if that situation comes up.

[TexasCajun]

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but I can't believe this is a question that anyone has to wonder about. Being in fear for your life is just a small part of the equation. Would you draw and start firing if those same people were trying to escape a fire in that store? If you have to think about it, concealed carry may not be for you.

The best thing about this forum vs others is that through rational and polite discussion, we can work through different 'what if' situations BEFORE they happen.

[Venus Pax]

The firearm you're carrying is to stop someone from harming/killing you or someone you love. In this situation, it wouldn't stop you from being killed, and would likely make matters worse. And I don't see how you would even draw if you're truly being stampeded.

[Ameer]

Sounds like a lose-lose situation, best bet is not put yourself in that kind of position in the first place. I have yet to ever attend a black friday sale.

There is nothing that any store is selling at any price to put myself in the middle of that kind of crush of people. That is just too many people too close in my personal space for me to ever take that risk. If nothing else, those situations are a pickpocket's delight.

More good reasons to avoid professional sporting events!

[texanjoker]

Who are you going to shoot? The entire crowd?

[pops1982]

[quote="NTEXChallengerCHL"]Sitting around visiting on Saturday, when my friend who knows that I carry asked me this question: Theoretically, if I was out shopping on Black Friday and happened to be in the crazy crowds that bull rush the front door of say a Walmart; and I happen to get tripped in the mad rush and the "getting trampled to death scenario" began to unfold...Would I have any right with pulling my gun? I would be in fear of my life. quote]
No, period.

[Lucky Luke]

"Prevention is the best medicine" -Benji

[03Lightningrocks]

Last year I remember hearing about a lady who whipped out her pepper spray and let it rip in a crowd. She tried to claim she was in fear or some such thing. Best I recall, they charged her with aggravated assault. I don't know what the final disposition was as the media only worked it for a few days. Maybe one of you google foo masters can find it. I think it relates. I have no doubt in my mind you would be in serious trouble... If not killed by someone who recognized you as a deadly threat.

[kg5ie]

"Deadly force not justified"


"(3) if the actor consented to the exact force used or attempted by the other;"



I think the person asked for it when they put themselves in the situation....

[Rikk101]

I think the best thing to do if caught in a stampede would be to try to trip as many folks as possible to create a pile-up that would then cause the crowd to go around. If you were able to pull your weapon and fire it, you would almost certainly injure some innoncent person or persons who were only doing the same thing that you were - in this case risking your life to get some kind of "deal".

[03Lightningrocks]

I think the best thing to do if caught in a stampede would be to try to trip as many folks as possible to create a pile-up that would then cause the crowd to go around. If you were able to pull your weapon and fire it, you would almost certainly injure some innoncent person or persons who were only doing the same thing that you were - in this case risking your life to get some kind of "deal".

I asked my SIL what he would do. He said he would get on top of the crowd and walk across everyone's heads.

[Neverpanic1]

I just don't think I'd want to put myself in that situation. Results could be bad for all of us !