If you break the OP up into it's component parts, it's real easy to understand. Here is a dissection of what was
actually said/done, item by item. If it isn't here,
it wasn't said or didn't happen......
Item #1, 2farnorth sees a customer with his 2nd Amendment showing:
2farnorth wrote:A gentleman walks in the store today and I notice the square black case on his right side. His shirt was fully tucked in. As he walks away it's very clear that it is a gun butt openly visible from the rear.
Item #2, coworker notices 2farnorth's alerting on customer:
2farnorth wrote:A co-worker see's me looking and notices it also.
Item #3, co-worker notifies manager, who is nervous:
2farnorth wrote:He immediately went and told the owner's daughter who manages the store. She get's very nervous and wants to call the police.
Item #4, 2farnorth says, "let me handle it first:"
2farnorth wrote:I asked her to let me approach the man and work it. I approached him on a side aisle and ask him if he was a peace officer. He said "no sir".
Item #5, 2farnorth notifies customer that OC is illegal in Texas:
2farnorth wrote:I said you do know that open carry is unlawful in this state.
Item #6, and this is where the confusion over who said what starts, customer says a "state trooper" (we don't know if it is specifically a Texas DPS trooper) has said method of carry is legal. Please note,
we don't know if said trooper has actually seen the customer carrying the gun this way, particularly from behind. For all we know, the customer either told the trooper about an ad he saw for the product, or showed an empty case to a trooper and asked him if this would be a legal means of carry, and the trooper assumed that this dim bulb intended to carry
a gun which actually fits properly in this case:
2farnorth wrote: He said he has a chl and that a state trooper said his method of carry was okay and that there was no 3006 on the door.
Item #7, 2farnorth advises customer that his gun is exposed and clearly identifiable:
2farnorth wrote: I advised him that from the rear the gun butt was readily visible and easily identifiable as a gun.
Item #8,
CUSTOMER PUBLICLY DRAWS HIS GUN!!!:
2farnorth wrote:He then pulled it out and placed it in his back pocket.
Item #9, customer states that he has been carrying into post offices as if either A) he didn't know it was illegal; or B) he thought it was OK to break the law if he was deeply concealed enough:
2farnorth wrote:Also stated that he had been carrying it in post offices and many other places and no one had noticed before
.
Item #10, 2farnorth wisely follows up about instructor:
2farnorth wrote:I made idle chit chat with him as I checked him out and asked the name of his CHL instructor.
Item #11, 2farnorth deals with manager and the impact this may or may not have on his own future carry options at work:
2farnorth wrote:After he left I was able to talk the owners out of putting up the 3006 sign but she said it made her nervous to be around someone with a gun. She also wanted know why I knew so much about the CHL requirements. I told her that my past in doing security/body guard work required it. She also asked if I would tell her if I was carrying. I said don't ask the question unless you really want to know. She then said that if anyone was carrying that she would prefer it to be me. All in all it didn't do us CHlers any favors and raised an issue in my work place that didn't need to be raised. I may still get official 3006 notice in the near future.
First of all, I'm surprised that nobody
here except 2farnorth seems to care that the guy drew his gun.....in public. The
proper thing to do would have been for the customer to assure 2farnorth that he would make sure to get it all sorted out when he gets out to his car,
and then leave the store then and there.......but
pulling the gun out is just plain bad juju and dumber than a bag of hammers!!! I think that 2farnorth did about as well as he could have, given the circumstances.
I would have sought out the instructor's name too. I can't think of an instructor on this board who, once it had been reported to him/her that one of their students was doing this, would not incorporate this story into their instruction as a lesson to the class of
several violations of the law:
- "Printing" is not the same thing as "partially exposed." If you gun is exposed enough to be identifiable as a gun, and you are aware of this, then YOU ARE INTENTIONALLY FAILING TO CONCEAL, and you are in violation of state law (give the TPC code numbers).
- You may NEVER, under any circumstances, carry your weapon into a post office. If you do, you are in violation of federal law, and Eric Holder and Janet Napolitano are likely to take a dim view of it......and life will suddenly get much harder for you if you are caught. THIS federal government will be merciless in prosecuting you.
- Do not EVER draw your gun in public EXCEPT in self defense!!!!
- If you ignore this advice and get caught, you're on your own. DO NOT TELL THEM I WAS YOUR INSTRUCTOR!!!! I'm trying to run a business here, and I don't need that kind of PR.
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”
― G. Michael Hopf, "Those Who Remain"
#TINVOWOOT
this could have.been ugly. I don't contact people unless at work because.people do not like confrontation, and if the person contacted didn't have a.cool head this could have.been ugly...maybe the person contacted is a poster and we can hear their side of the story. Personally I would tell anybody that contacted me to mind their own business and not answer their questions.
