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Re: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting

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Dragonfighter wrote:Hey all, just got a letter back from Mike Burgess, he has co-sponsored an act to extend combat related benefits to those killed and wounded at Fort Hood. It reads in part:
This is why I am a sponsor of the Fort Hood Families Benefits Protection Act, H.R. 4088, introduced by Rep. John Carter [R-Texas]. The service members who lost their lives at Fort Hood were days from deployment, and this legislation would ensure that these service members and civilian employees are treated in the same manner as those who are killed or wounded in combat zones or civilian employees who are killed or wounded in a terrorist attack. Under the legislation, those wounded or killed in the Fort Hood attack and their families would be eligible to receive the benefits and acknowledgments they deserve, including: the Purple Heart, the Secretary of Defense Medal for the Defense of Freedom, compensation, rehabilitation pay, medical expenses, family transportation expenses, special tax treatment, and life insurance coverage, among other benefits.
I respectfully submit that we all let our congressional and senatorial representatives know how we feel about this and support H.R. 4088.
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Re: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting

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Response from Senator Cornyn:
Thank you for contacting me regarding the horrific attack that occurred at Fort Hood, Texas on November 5, 2009. I appreciate having the benefit of your comments on this important matter.

My thoughts and prayers remain with the victims and their families during this difficult time. Fort Hood is one of our nation’s finest and largest military installations, and a place that has long been a source of pride for Texans, and for all Americans who value the selfless service and sacrifice of our men and women in uniform.

The federal government has a fundamental duty to our men and women in uniform to safeguard them against avoidable harm in the course of their service. We must protect the protectors whenever and wherever we are able, especially at home in the United States. Our government failed the brave Americans who were killed and wounded at Fort Hood. The devastation inflicted on them was preventable, and it is of paramount importance that we ascertain exactly where the system broke down.

To this end, I have written to President Barack Obama to express my deep concern at the Administration’s reluctance to recognize the events at Fort Hood as an act of domestic terrorism. There are a myriad of investigations underway, and I appreciate the importance of ascertaining the facts before making any judgments; however, it is increasingly apparent that Islamist terrorism is to blame for this senseless attack.

Islamist terrorism represents one of the single most dangerous threats to the national security of the United States. As you may know, this enemy seeks the complete and total destruction of our nation, our government, and our entire American way of life. As additional facts surrounding the Fort Hood attack surface, it appears increasingly probable that Major Nidal Hasan, who has been charged in the attack, heeded terrorist calls to violence, compelled by a fanatical religious ideology. If Islamist terrorism was the driving force behind the senseless violence at Fort Hood, as it appears to be, this attack must serve as a call to action for the federal government. Federal agencies must follow every lead and look into every possible threat, regardless of whose particular sensitivities might be offended in the process. We must never allow the safety of those who defend our freedom to be made a secondary priority to political correctness.

Furthermore, whether in Central Iraq or Central Texas, when Americans serving our country come under terrorist attack, they should be eligible for the same level of benefits and recognition. Therefore, I have introduced the Fort Hood Victims and Families Benefits Protection Act (S. 2807). This legislation would ensure that the victims of the Fort Hood massacre and their families are entitled to the very same benefits that are afford to Americans who have been injured in overseas combat zones and the families of those who have been killed in action. Additionally, S. 2807 would provide recognition of the tremendous physical sacrifices made by these brave Americans by making affected service members eligible for the Purple Heart medal and Department of Defense civilian employees eligible for the Secretary of Defense Medal for the Defense of Freedom. S. 2807 has been referred to the Armed Services Committee for further consideration. I am hopeful that the committee, and subsequently the full Senate, will expeditiously consider and pass this important legislation, which is the very least we can do for the victims of the Fort Hood shootings.

As investigations into this attack move forward, you may be certain that I will continue to stand with the families of the 13 killed, the many wounded, and the countless others affected. I appreciate having the opportunity to represent you in the United States Senate. Thank you for taking the time to contact me.

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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 73b33.html
Closed-door negotiations and legal maneuvering delayed the Tuesday start of Maj. Nidal Hasan’s probable-cause hearing for last year’s massacre at a soldier readiness center.

Col. James L. Pohl, the presiding Army judge, stopped the hearing at midday so the Army psychiatrist’s defense team could file legal arguments to back their request for an even longer delay.
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The latest news is that Nidal Malik Hasan will be recommended for court martial for the November 5, 2009 shooting at Fort Hood that killed 13 people and wounded 32 others. It sure seems to be taking a long time to make that decision.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/ ... 4Y20110305" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting

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WildBill wrote:The latest news is that Nidal Malik Hasan will be recommended for court martial for the November 5, 2009 shooting at Fort Hood that killed 13 people and wounded 32 others. It sure seems to be taking a long time to make that decision.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/ ... 4Y20110305" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I think the delay is intentional on the DOD's part. They're aware that they messed up badly--they communications intercepts of Maj. Hasan communicating with an anti-American cleric with Al Qaeda ties but chose not to act in fear of appearing biased against Muslims. They're probably hoping to drag the proceedings out so long that it won't be big news when he finally goes to trial.

I expect the same thing to happen when Pfc. Manning (the accused Wikileaks leaker) goes to trial. Once again, there were major organizational lapses and a trial will be embarassing for the military.
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Re: 7 killed at Ft Hood shooting

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Nidal Malik Hasan will face the death penalty.

Sorry about the link source:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wire ... -shooting/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Army psychiatrist charged in the deadly Fort Hood rampage in Texas will be court-martialed and face the death penalty.


If Clinton's executive order that disarmed military officers on military bases had been countermanded by either of the two succeeding presidents as it should have been, Major Hasan would have received the sentence he earned on the spot and a lot fewer good men and women would have been maimed or killed.

Apparently the outcome of the For Hood incident was OK with President Obama because Clinton's unconscionable order still stands.
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Thirteen people murdered and they just now decide he will face the death penalty. He should be going through the Texas capital punishment express lane, Federal jurisdiction notwithstanding.

(And I know that isn't how the law works, but imagination land makes a lot more sense.)

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tfrazier wrote:Thirteen people murdered and they just now decide he will face the death penalty. He should be going through the Texas capital punishment express lane, Federal jurisdiction notwithstanding.
If it hadn't been for hoplophobes holding positions of authority in the military, he'd have gotten onsite service back then. :banghead:

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The two officers who were the first responders to the Fort Hood shooting including the officer who was shot are being laid off.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/met ... 88094.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe the military prefer police officers who wait an hour before storming the scene and don't have to resort to violence to stop the massacre.

Shame.

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...first I'd heard that her gun malfunctioned...wonder what she was carrying....
...those two should have no trouble finding work...in Texas...

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First time I have heard that also. She generally gets a lot of credit for stopping the guy. I guess you can say she did change the odds by being there and trying to shoot. It might have given the other guy a chance to bear down on him without getting shot. Heck of a way to contribute, though.

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Resurrecting an old thread with a bit of new news...

Difficult to condone that this .... guy.... is still getting paid.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/21/[abbreviated profanity deleted] ... -massacre/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
U.S. Department of Defense officials confirmed to NBCDFW.com that Maj. Nidal Hasan’s salary cannot be suspended unless he is proven guilty in the Nov. 5, 2009, shooting in Texas, citing the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Jury selection in his trial is scheduled to begin May 30.
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RoyGBiv wrote:Resurrecting an old thread with a bit of new news...

Difficult to condone that this .... guy.... is still getting paid.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/21/[abbreviated profanity deleted] ... -massacre/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
U.S. Department of Defense officials confirmed to NBCDFW.com that Maj. Nidal Hasan’s salary cannot be suspended unless he is proven guilty in the Nov. 5, 2009, shooting in Texas, citing the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Jury selection in his trial is scheduled to begin May 30.
I agree that it stinks, but the rules are the rules. The only way to stop this is for the UCMJ to be modified. And I'm sure that takes a lot of time.

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And he'll end up keeping all that money, too. They can't even seem to make a man who is still a commissioned officer in the United States Army SHAVE. Does anyone really think they are going to find this poor, troubled man, who obviously just needed a hug, guilty? It seems they've done everything in their power to do otherwise. :mad5
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RottenApple wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:Resurrecting an old thread with a bit of new news...

Difficult to condone that this .... guy.... is still getting paid.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/21/[abbreviated profanity deleted] ... -massacre/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
U.S. Department of Defense officials confirmed to NBCDFW.com that Maj. Nidal Hasan’s salary cannot be suspended unless he is proven guilty in the Nov. 5, 2009, shooting in Texas, citing the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Jury selection in his trial is scheduled to begin May 30.
I agree that it stinks, but the rules are the rules. The only way to stop this is for the UCMJ to be modified. And I'm sure that takes a lot of time.
Over $250,000.

He stops getting paid when he's found guilty. The other way to stop is not put the trial off for four years.
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