What's the deal with hospitals and GC §411.204.(b)

[austin-tatious]

I happened to be looking at 411.204 and noticed this:

(b) A hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, shall prominently display at each entrance to the hospital or nursing home, as appropriate, a sign that complies with the requirements of Subsection (c) other than the requirement that the sign include on its face the number “51”.

Subsection (c) is the wording for the 51% sign we are all familiar with.

I don't remember my CHL classes (been to 2) ever mentioning this, and I have not seen this at any hospital I've entered. Has anyone encountered it? And why is it in there since hospitals I've been in post 30.06 instead?

[poppo]

Here is how I read it. In (c) it describes the physical appearance and location of the sign. (b) just says that everything in (c) applies except for needing the 51 on it. and (c) talks about 51 because (a) deals with bars, etc.. Basically you have to read a, b and c to see how they relate to each other.

a) A business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28,
32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, and that derives 51 percent
or more of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages for
on-premises consumption as determined by the Texas Alcoholic
Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code,
shall prominently display at each entrance to the business premises
a sign that complies with the requirements of Subsection (c).

(b) A hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety
Code, or a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and
Safety Code, shall prominently display at each entrance to the
hospital or nursing home, as appropriate, a sign that complies with
the requirements of Subsection (c) other than the requirement that
the sign include on its face the number "51".

(c) The sign required under Subsections (a) and (b) must
give notice in both English and Spanish that it is unlawful for a
person licensed under this subchapter to carry a handgun on the
premises. The sign must appear in contrasting colors with block
letters at least one inch in height and must include on its face the
number "51" printed in solid red at least five inches in height.
The sign shall be displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible
to the public.

[carlson1]

Trinity Mother Frances hospital in Tyler has this sign posted on all buildings.

[powerboatr]

Trinity Mother Frances hospital in Tyler has this sign posted on all buildings.

As does ETMC in Tyler
but their outlier docs offices in Quitman are unmarked or signed, while the Quitman hospital has signs at each entry point
I see a doc that uses ETMC doctor office space and she has never commented either way when i go see her. But I know she has known I was carrying once. The offices are across the street from the existing hospital and will be less than 100 yards from the new facility when its completed this fall. But the whole complex is ETMC property. It confuses me, so i just lock it in the truck before going in.

[srothstein]

This is a remnant of the original CHL license when hospitals were off limits by law. In addition to the law placing them off limits, someone managed to get in that you had to be notified, just like a 51% location. When the law was changed to require 30.06 notice, this law was left alone. The hospitals are all still legally required to post this notice, even though most don't and never did.

[Ipconfig]

This is a remnant of the original CHL license when hospitals were off limits by law. In addition to the law placing them off limits, someone managed to get in that you had to be notified, just like a 51% location. When the law was changed to require 30.06 notice, this law was left alone. The hospitals are all still legally required to post this notice, even though most don't and never did.

So I can legally ignore it and go past the sign?

[C-dub]

Is this the same red 51% sign required by the TABC? Or some other sign with a "51" on it? I'm having trouble wrapping my brain around a hospital with a TABC 51% sign posted.

[austin-tatious]

I believe Srothstein has the correct answer as to why (b) is in the law, and poppo interprets it the way I think makes the most sense...hospitals post the text but without the 5 inch tall 51%. Can I ignore it IF I ever run across it? I think so since it's out of date. But I suspect (like many issues) I might have to take a ride if my concealed becomes accidently un-concealed.

[bizarrenormality]

Is this the same red 51% sign required by the TABC? Or some other sign with a "51" on it? I'm having trouble wrapping my brain around a hospital with a TABC 51% sign posted.

I have trouble wrapping my brain around 46.035 in general, particularly considering the statistics, but I have to take a deep breath and remind myself that laws don't have to make sense and they don't need to be fair.

[texanjoker]

I was at a clinic today. They had the sign showing a gun with a red circle, saying no guns allowed.