Thoughts on in home service

[Right2Carry]

For comfort, the ankle rig would be better, imo, while your laying and rolling on the floor.

IMHO carrying into someones home who is a customer is just bad business. I would think most businesses that sent out repair reps ECT... would have a no gun policy in effect for entering a customers home. I don't care about them leaving it in the vehicle, but I don't want someone I don't know entering my home with a loaded gun. I have no idea what kind of training that person has, and a AD in my home from someone performing a service that I am paying for is going to amount to a huge lawsuit on someone.

Family or friends that I know is one thing, a person performing a service is quite another animal all together. I can't imagine a business allowing thier employees to go armed into a private citizens home to perform work. IMHO it is not a good idea.

Sounds like you need to post the 30.06 sign at your front door, or verbally tell people that they dont have the right to protect themselves in you abode.

Dan

Being invited to someones home as a friend and going to a house to perform a service are two entirely different things. I am not really sure how the law looks at this, nor am I so sure that a 30.06 posting or a verbal warning is required for someone entering your home as a repairman.

I guess some research is in order on this.

Of course a 30.06 or verbal notice is required to legally prohibit you from carrying into a customers home. The law is the law, and it is clear.

I am curious as to WHY you think it is not appropriate for a repairman to carry into a home. Please be specific.

I don't think it is appropiate because it is my home. It is not a place of business, it is my personal home, my castle. I also believe it creates the potential for a dangerous situation. Truth be known I never really thought much about it until it was brought up in this forum. I believe most businesses will have a company policy against allowing thier technicians to carry while on a service call. There is a huge liability issue for the company in case of an AD or ND.

I suspect that most people on this forum if they are being truthful would feel the same if all of a sudden they noticed thier repairman carrying a weapon even if its an inadverdent flash.

With that said I guess for some reason I thought that private residence would be protected with the whole my home is my castle thing. It appears that I was wrong, but am glad that I now know what the law says.

The only firearm bearing person I want in my house is myself, family or good friends. I do not want a total stranger carrying a firearm inside my house.

I have been educated now and will act appropiately in the future to prevent repairman from entering my house while armed.

TXI as I said before, this is just my opinion. If someone chooses a line of work that they know will require them to enter peoples homes, ehy that is thier choice. If they think it is too dangerous find other work.

It appears that the law allows this, I on the other hand think it is wrong. We will just have to agree to disagree on this and move on.

[txinvestigator]

For comfort, the ankle rig would be better, imo, while your laying and rolling on the floor.

IMHO carrying into someones home who is a customer is just bad business. I would think most businesses that sent out repair reps ECT... would have a no gun policy in effect for entering a customers home. I don't care about them leaving it in the vehicle, but I don't want someone I don't know entering my home with a loaded gun. I have no idea what kind of training that person has, and a AD in my home from someone performing a service that I am paying for is going to amount to a huge lawsuit on someone.

Family or friends that I know is one thing, a person performing a service is quite another animal all together. I can't imagine a business allowing thier employees to go armed into a private citizens home to perform work. IMHO it is not a good idea.

Sounds like you need to post the 30.06 sign at your front door, or verbally tell people that they dont have the right to protect themselves in you abode.

Dan

Being invited to someones home as a friend and going to a house to perform a service are two entirely different things. I am not really sure how the law looks at this, nor am I so sure that a 30.06 posting or a verbal warning is required for someone entering your home as a repairman.

I guess some research is in order on this.

Of course a 30.06 or verbal notice is required to legally prohibit you from carrying into a customers home. The law is the law, and it is clear.

I am curious as to WHY you think it is not appropriate for a repairman to carry into a home. Please be specific.

I don't think it is appropiate because it is my home. It is not a place of business, it is my personal home, my castle. I also believe it creates the potential for a dangerous situation. Truth be known I never really thought much about it until it was brought up in this forum. I believe most businesses will have a company policy against allowing thier technicians to carry while on a service call. There is a huge liability issue for the company in case of an AD or ND.

I suspect that most people on this forum if they are being truthful would feel the same if all of a sudden they noticed thier repairman carrying a weapon even if its an inadverdent flash.

With that said I guess for some reason I thought that private residence would be protected with the whole my home is my castle thing. It appears that I was wrong, but am glad that I now know what the law says.

The only firearm bearing person I want in my house is myself, family or good friends. I do not want a total stranger carrying a firearm inside my house.

I have been educated now and will act appropiately in the future to prevent repairman from entering my house while armed.

TXI as I said before, this is just my opinion. If someone chooses a line of work that they know will require them to enter peoples homes, ehy that is thier choice. If they think it is too dangerous find other work.

It appears that the law allows this, I on the other hand think it is wrong. We will just have to agree to disagree on this and move on.

I appreciate your polite honesty.

I would have no problem with a CHL holder carrying inside my house. As far as he knows, I am a serial killer and he is my next victim, or a home invader intent on killing all could enter while he is inside, or......., basically all of the same reasons I carry in my home would apply to him while he is in my home.

And by his having a CHL I know he is not a criminal. You don't know that about other repairmen in your home.

Heck, I might even find myself a new shooting buddy.

[BrassMonkey]

WOW! :-) Jack of all trades...

[BrassMonkey]

SO maybe I was talking out my butt without thinking earlier...

[Right2Carry]

For comfort, the ankle rig would be better, imo, while your laying and rolling on the floor.

IMHO carrying into someones home who is a customer is just bad business. I would think most businesses that sent out repair reps ECT... would have a no gun policy in effect for entering a customers home. I don't care about them leaving it in the vehicle, but I don't want someone I don't know entering my home with a loaded gun. I have no idea what kind of training that person has, and a AD in my home from someone performing a service that I am paying for is going to amount to a huge lawsuit on someone.

Family or friends that I know is one thing, a person performing a service is quite another animal all together. I can't imagine a business allowing thier employees to go armed into a private citizens home to perform work. IMHO it is not a good idea.

Sounds like you need to post the 30.06 sign at your front door, or verbally tell people that they dont have the right to protect themselves in you abode.

Dan

Being invited to someones home as a friend and going to a house to perform a service are two entirely different things. I am not really sure how the law looks at this, nor am I so sure that a 30.06 posting or a verbal warning is required for someone entering your home as a repairman.

I guess some research is in order on this.

Of course a 30.06 or verbal notice is required to legally prohibit you from carrying into a customers home. The law is the law, and it is clear.

I am curious as to WHY you think it is not appropriate for a repairman to carry into a home. Please be specific.

I don't think it is appropiate because it is my home. It is not a place of business, it is my personal home, my castle. I also believe it creates the potential for a dangerous situation. Truth be known I never really thought much about it until it was brought up in this forum. I believe most businesses will have a company policy against allowing thier technicians to carry while on a service call. There is a huge liability issue for the company in case of an AD or ND.

I suspect that most people on this forum if they are being truthful would feel the same if all of a sudden they noticed thier repairman carrying a weapon even if its an inadverdent flash.

With that said I guess for some reason I thought that private residence would be protected with the whole my home is my castle thing. It appears that I was wrong, but am glad that I now know what the law says.

The only firearm bearing person I want in my house is myself, family or good friends. I do not want a total stranger carrying a firearm inside my house.

I have been educated now and will act appropiately in the future to prevent repairman from entering my house while armed.

TXI as I said before, this is just my opinion. If someone chooses a line of work that they know will require them to enter peoples homes, ehy that is thier choice. If they think it is too dangerous find other work.

It appears that the law allows this, I on the other hand think it is wrong. We will just have to agree to disagree on this and move on.

I appreciate your polite honesty.

I would have no problem with a CHL holder carrying inside my house. As far as he knows, I am a serial killer and he is my next victim, or a home invader intent on killing all could enter while he is inside, or......., basically all of the same reasons I carry in my home would apply to him while he is in my home.

And by his having a CHL I know he is not a criminal. You don't know that about other repairmen in your home.

Heck, I might even find myself a new shooting buddy.

All good points, but see here lays the problem. I don't know that he is a CHL holder. He could be a bad man that attacked the real technician and is intent on robbing me or worse. In a private home the situation becomes sticky.

You being a LEO can rightfully ask to see his CHL ( not sure about how that works in an off duty status) but I as a citizen have no right and no means to make him comply short of calling LEO out.

I am assuming this to be true, since the only person I have to show my CHL to is a LEO.

How would you determine that the tech or repairman coming to your house is indeed a CHL holder and not someone intent on doing your harm?

[Crossfire]

Anyone who wants to come into my house to perform any service is gonna have a company ID, and I am gonna ask to see it.

If you don't have a company issued picture ID, or if you don't look like the picture on your ID badge, then you aren't invited in.

[Right2Carry]

Anyone who wants to come into my house to perform any service is gonna have a company ID, and I am gonna ask to see it.

If you don't have a company issued picture ID, or if you don't look like the picture on your ID badge, then you aren't invited in.

I don't think all companies issue pictured ID's, although it is becoming more the norm. Actually I think that from now on I will ask what the policy of the company is before I decide to give them my business, that way I know up front what to expect. My guess is that 95% of companies prohibit carrying into a home owners house.

[phddan]

I don't think it is appropiate because it is my home. It is not a place of business, it is my personal home, my castle. I also believe it creates the potential for a dangerous situation. Truth be known I never really thought much about it until it was brought up in this forum. I believe most businesses will have a company policy against allowing thier technicians to carry while on a service call. There is a huge liability issue for the company in case of an AD or ND.

I suspect that most people on this forum if they are being truthful would feel the same if all of a sudden they noticed thier repairman carrying a weapon even if its an inadverdent flash.

With that said I guess for some reason I thought that private residence would be protected with the whole my home is my castle thing. It appears that I was wrong, but am glad that I now know what the law says.

The only firearm bearing person I want in my house is myself, family or good friends. I do not want a total stranger carrying a firearm inside my house.

I have been educated now and will act appropiately in the future to prevent repairman from entering my house while armed.

TXI as I said before, this is just my opinion. If someone chooses a line of work that they know will require them to enter peoples homes, ehy that is thier choice. If they think it is too dangerous find other work.

It appears that the law allows this, I on the other hand think it is wrong. We will just have to agree to disagree on this and move on.
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I find your sigline a little ironic.

Dan

[Crossfire]

I don't think all companies issue pictured ID's, although it is becoming more the norm. Actually I think that from now on I will ask what the policy of the company is before I decide to give them my business, that way I know up front what to expect. My guess is that 95% of companies prohibit carrying into a home owners house.

I don't know what kind of shady companies you deal with that send their employees out to represent them without giving them proper ID. OH WAIT! You only deal with companies that also strip their employees of their constitutional rights!

Because evidently, the "Right2Carry" only applies to YOU.

[chewy555]

For me, if a repair man was in the house and I happened to see his weapon it would not upset me. I would just say something to him to let him know that the weapon was "out" so that he could cover it back up. This is as I would hope someone would do for me if I was out and about and happen to show my weapon. Now as for the question that started this, I would have to say that I would pick either pocket carry or off the body in the tool bag, as the bag would be right next to me.

[Photoman]

There are only two reasons a person would be carrying a concealed weapon.

1. LEO
2. CHL holder - Note the first letter of the abbreviation - C = CONCEALED

If he is a LEO, say who has a side business as a plumber, he has no business carrying open while not in direct execution of his OFFICIAL duties as a LEO.

The only way for a repairman to be legal is to be a CHL holder. If I see his weapon, he broke the law or at the very least made a BIG mistake, either in decision to carry in my home or in his methods of concealment.... Remember, this is in my home. MY HOME, My castle, my abode, my whatever...

It would never hit the papers unless we danced. If he is legal, I buy the guy a beer and/or buy him some ammo. If he is not, there is another win for CHL's in Texas...

I apologize if this is not the popular opinion around here, but you know what they say opinions are like......

I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on the interenet...but...

Pointing a gun at someone that hasn't threatened you (and the repairman accidentally exposing his gun doesn't constitue a threat) is a good way to get arrested for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Besides that, if you draw on someone, you should be prepared for return fire. Your planned response sounds like a good way to get shot or arrested or both! Please consider rethinking your response to this scenario.

[Photoman]

How would you determine that the tech or repairman coming to your house is indeed a CHL holder and not someone intent on doing your harm?

The minute you let a stranger into your house, you have opened yourself up to attack. There is know way of knowing what that person is going to do. Just be prepared.

I think TXI has an excellent point. Training and preparation will reduce much of the anxiety regarding the issue of personal protection.

Regarding the original question: Ken Null makes a nice shoulder rig (SMZ) for J frames. Might be worth a look.

[NguyenVanDon]

I learned something new today

[AG-EE]

Right2carry,

If it bothers you that much all you have to do is verbally tell the repairman that he isn't allowed to carry a concealed gun in your house before he enters. To tell you the truth, I would think it an odd question if I took your call when you scheduled service and you specifically asked, "So what is your policy on your employees carrying weapons in my home?"

They may or may not have a policy against it, but if you aren't the underwriter for their insurance, why do you care?

[seamusTX]

It would be reasonable to ask if their employees were bonded or had background checks, given the stuff that has happened over the years. Many companies perform background checks on in-home workers.

I honestly never gave it a second thought. I've had hundreds of people in my home and never felt threatened by one, though some of them were not people I would want dating my sister.

- Jim