Being mistaken as the bad guy

[bayouhazard]

Once again we have people who think what thay might do if they had a CHL badge and project that on other people, much like DiFi and BHO think what they might do if they had an AR 15 and project that on other people.

Brothers of the same mind.

[bayouhazard]

One thing people tend to forget about is how their own behavior makes them appear to others. As Mas recommends, behaving like an authority figure can help influence others into recognizing that you are not the bad guy. Simple statements such as "stay back; he might still be dangerous," "you, call 911," and "is anybody hurt" provide a quick indication of your role, or at least enough doubt the delay an overeager responder from assuming you are the threat.

That's a great point. If the shooter is screaming curse words and racial slurs while pumping rounds into somebody, that creates one impression in witnesses' minds. If the shooter is yelling "DROP THE GUN!" while pumping rounds into somebody, that creates a very different first impression.

What are we rehearsing when we practice?

[jmra]

This almost happened in the AZ shooting. A guy in a store heard the shooting and ran out of a store with gun drawn. He came around the corner and saw a guy pointing a gun at a guy on the ground. He almost fired but didn't.

The guy pointing the gun was another CHL who was helping subdue the shooter.

1. You are not a cop. Do not run to gunshots!
2. If you don't KNOW what's going on, you DON'T KNOW what's going on.
3. Shooting a bad guy will change your life forever. Shooting the wrong guy will change your wife and kids lives forever.

Man that story just grows and grows. The CHL holder never removed his weapon from his holster during that incident. His biggest mistake was telling the MSNBC reporter that he almost shot the guy. Using that thought process I guess I almost shoot someone everyday.


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I saw an interview done with a female reporter in which I thought I recalled him saying he pulled his weapon as he was exiting the store. I will see if I can find it - if not, it would not be the first time I was wrong. Still working on that whole perfection thing.

[steve817]

This almost happened in the AZ shooting. A guy in a store heard the shooting and ran out of a store with gun drawn. He came around the corner and saw a guy pointing a gun at a guy on the ground. He almost fired but didn't.

The guy pointing the gun was another CHL who was helping subdue the shooter.

1. You are not a cop. Do not run to gunshots!
2. If you don't KNOW what's going on, you DON'T KNOW what's going on.
3. Shooting a bad guy will change your life forever. Shooting the wrong guy will change your wife and kids lives forever.

Man that story just grows and grows. The CHL holder never removed his weapon from his holster during that incident. His biggest mistake was telling the MSNBC reporter that he almost shot the guy. Using that thought process I guess I almost shoot someone everyday.


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I saw an interview done with a female reporter in which I thought I recalled him saying he pulled his weapon as he was exiting the store. I will see if I can find it - if not, it would not be the first time I was wrong. Still working on that whole perfection thing.

This one? http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/ns/m ... /#41067100" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I took a closer look at my post and now it looks as though I was being a little on the snarky side towards you. I assure you I wasn't trying to.

[jmra]

This almost happened in the AZ shooting. A guy in a store heard the shooting and ran out of a store with gun drawn. He came around the corner and saw a guy pointing a gun at a guy on the ground. He almost fired but didn't.

The guy pointing the gun was another CHL who was helping subdue the shooter.

1. You are not a cop. Do not run to gunshots!
2. If you don't KNOW what's going on, you DON'T KNOW what's going on.
3. Shooting a bad guy will change your life forever. Shooting the wrong guy will change your wife and kids lives forever.

Man that story just grows and grows. The CHL holder never removed his weapon from his holster during that incident. His biggest mistake was telling the MSNBC reporter that he almost shot the guy. Using that thought process I guess I almost shoot someone everyday.


" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;!

I saw an interview done with a female reporter in which I thought I recalled him saying he pulled his weapon as he was exiting the store. I will see if I can find it - if not, it would not be the first time I was wrong. Still working on that whole perfection thing.

This one? http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/ns/m ... /#41067100" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I took a closer look at my post and now it looks as though I was being a little on the snarky side towards you. I assure you I wasn't trying to.

I can't see the link from my phone.
Didn't take your reply that way at all. We're good.

[jmra]

This almost happened in the AZ shooting. A guy in a store heard the shooting and ran out of a store with gun drawn. He came around the corner and saw a guy pointing a gun at a guy on the ground. He almost fired but didn't.

The guy pointing the gun was another CHL who was helping subdue the shooter.

1. You are not a cop. Do not run to gunshots!
2. If you don't KNOW what's going on, you DON'T KNOW what's going on.
3. Shooting a bad guy will change your life forever. Shooting the wrong guy will change your wife and kids lives forever.

Man that story just grows and grows. The CHL holder never removed his weapon from his holster during that incident. His biggest mistake was telling the MSNBC reporter that he almost shot the guy. Using that thought process I guess I almost shoot someone everyday.


" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;!

I saw an interview done with a female reporter in which I thought I recalled him saying he pulled his weapon as he was exiting the store. I will see if I can find it - if not, it would not be the first time I was wrong. Still working on that whole perfection thing.

This one? http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/ns/m ... /#41067100" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I took a closer look at my post and now it looks as though I was being a little on the snarky side towards you. I assure you I wasn't trying to.

I can't see the link from my phone.
Didn't take your reply that way at all. We're good.

Couldn't find the interview I was looking for but according to the interview he did with fox he did not draw the weapon as I had originally thought he had. Here is his quote;
"I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready, I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here." He goes on to say he felt "very lucky" he didn't shoot the wrong guy.
So, to be accurate, my post should have read, "A guy in a store heard the shooting and ran out of a store with his hand on his gun with the safety off. He came around the corner and saw a guy pointing a gun at a guy on the ground. He said he felt really lucky that he didn't shoot the wrong guy."
I should have gone back and looked at the story again before posting to ensure accuracy, but I think this still applies to the concern of the OP.

[steve817]

I took issue with talking heads like Rachel Maddow saying he almost shot the guy. How does that happen when the gun didn't even come out of the holster? Come to think of it, I need to find out what kind of holster he had so that if I ever have to shoot someone I won't have to take mine out either.