new credit union sign

[Dragonfighter]

Another negative aspect of posting signs like this, even such non-enforceable ones, is that they further the "guns are bad" mentality that we continue to fight. The greatest enemy of gun rights is the negative view of guns that an impressionable society is constantly exposed to. This credit union is just furthering that negative view.

The greatest enemy of my gun rights is a sign that prohibits me from legal carry, much like the one that the credit union removed. Guns shows are supposed to be all about gun rights, but they refuse my right to protect myself when I'm there. I'd rather go to a coop grocery on South Congress Avenue that has a sign that says, "Melt guns to make bicycles!" as long as they don't refuse my right to legally carry a weapon to protect myself and my family in their establishment.

Embalmo

I've tested the waters a couple of times, the last being in Lewisville. You pay your money and go in. I wasn't lugging anything around to sell so why stop by the voluntary search and seizure table. It's unenforceable and the risk of taking the ride was minimal.

[RoyGBiv]

...when I see an unenforceable sign of any description...I feel sorry for the poor store manager who's been hounded by corporate to "get those signs up" even though he knows it'll cost him money in Texas...I know how hard he had to look to find some that looked big, bad, and hairy enough to satisfy the regional manager when he comes by...and yet not alienate his friends and neighbors who are loyal customers...and CHL holders...he knows we're all smart enough to ignore the signs...he's glad to see us as usual...but he's lookin' kinda haggard from jumpin' through corporate's hoops(or his anti-gun wife's, if he's a sole owner) and I don't bring up a sore subject with him...I get what I went for, his sales stay up...he keeps his job, I save my gas...and noone's harmed...that's the way I choose to see it...works for me...

Exactly.

Except for my bank. [One of the "too big to fail" banks]
They put up gunbuster signs last year. I had a nice chat with the branch manager. I had a nice chat with the regional manager. I didn't complaint about the non-compliance of the sign, I wanted to know where their armed guards were (none) to protect me from the BG's that saw that sign and smiled. Now, I only use the drive through. They've lost all my non savings-and-checking business, but they're the best choice for the stuff I use them for and I'm content to use the drive through and wave at my friend through the glass who understands why I don't come in there any more. On the rare (only once since) times I need to go inside for something that can't easily done through the window, I carry past the sign since it's not compliant. No worries.

[warpdriv]

Hi Everyone,

Just found this site and have been learning a lot on the real world.

I'm trying to understand what makes these signs not valid? Do they need something on them to make them valid? Or is it required to be a properly displayed 30.06 sign?

Thank you for your help.

[RoyGBiv]

Hi Everyone,

Just found this site and have been learning a lot on the real world.

I'm trying to understand what makes these signs not valid? Do they need something on them to make them valid? Or is it required to be a properly displayed 30.06 sign?

Thank you for your help.

The language and physical characteristics required in 30.06 are pretty clear. Signs not meeting the 30.06 criteria may be considered non-compliant. There are several reports (Grapevine Mills mall, for example) of local police that say they will prosecute those carrying past a non-compliant (close but not exactly) sign.... The slogan in this forum is "You may beat the rap, but not the ride".

I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Just a personal opinion worth exactly the nothing you paid for it..

FYI... http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/d ... /PE.30.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Partial quote..

(3) "Written communication" means:

(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or

(B) a sign posted on the property that:

(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;

(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and

(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.