Man accused of inproperly passing Concealed Weapons students

[Keith B]

The Sarge did tell us that if there was someone who had say arthritis, if they could demonstrate they could load and rack once, we could do it the other times for them if needed.

Yep, you can assist. The way I think everyone sees it is you will have plenty of time to load BEFORE something happens. You should not be needing to load magazines when you are in a defensive situation. Show you know how, then if you have a physical issue where you are really slow or just can't, then the RSO can help load them.

[Ameer]

Funny you mention this. I went to the range with a guy who was a friend of my kids. He needed help loading his 9mm! When it stovepiped, he had no idea how to clear it. He finally offered that he did not fire his weapon to obtain his CHL (he actually showed me a valid Texas CHL). I asked him about his class and he said it was given by a relative of his. They got no instruction on anything. I asked if he took a written test and he replied "no." I wonder just how many folks have been given a CHL in this manner? I didn't press him on who the instructor was, but he gave me the impression that he was a retired LEO and that as far as he knew, that was how you got a CHL in Texas!

I think the people who had a hissy fit about "the Utah problem" were mostly instructors like this.

[wgoforth]

Funny you mention this. I went to the range with a guy who was a friend of my kids. He needed help loading his 9mm! When it stovepiped, he had no idea how to clear it. He finally offered that he did not fire his weapon to obtain his CHL (he actually showed me a valid Texas CHL). I asked him about his class and he said it was given by a relative of his. They got no instruction on anything. I asked if he took a written test and he replied "no." I wonder just how many folks have been given a CHL in this manner? I didn't press him on who the instructor was, but he gave me the impression that he was a retired LEO and that as far as he knew, that was how you got a CHL in Texas!

I think the people who had a hissy fit about "the Utah problem" were mostly instructors like this.

[alvins]

my instructor was terrible for our chl class. we hardly went over any laws and such.we spent more time going over the answers to the test then anything else.

[Salty1]

Ameer » Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:36 pm

"I think the people who had a hissy fit about "the Utah problem" were mostly instructors like this."

That is quite a statement, care to back it up with any facts? How about a single instance?

[JustMe]

my instructor was terrible for our chl class. we hardly went over any laws and such.we spent more time going over the answers to the test then anything else.

That is kinda the situation I was in--I personally did not feel that the class I took was beneficial. More of a "if you can endure-you get the magic ticket"

I feel ok personally, because I have done the research, and studied and KNOW what I need to KNOW. But on the other hand, there were some people in the class that I feel won't have done the same things I did--and if they go strictly by what they learned in the class-they will have problems!

But, I will also admit that I have no understanding of the people who were there to renew who said that they hadn't even touched their gun "since the last renewal class" (and their shooting showed it!) Maybe it is just me--but if I am going to have it, I am going to know everything I can--and practice!

[Keith B]

my instructor was terrible for our chl class. we hardly went over any laws and such.we spent more time going over the answers to the test then anything else.

That is kinda the situation I was in--I personally did not feel that the class I took was beneficial. More of a "if you can endure-you get the magic ticket"

I feel ok personally, because I have done the research, and studied and KNOW what I need to KNOW. But on the other hand, there were some people in the class that I feel won't have done the same things I did--and if they go strictly by what they learned in the class-they will have problems!

But, I will also admit that I have no understanding of the people who were there to renew who said that they hadn't even touched their gun "since the last renewal class" (and their shooting showed it!) Maybe it is just me--but if I am going to have it, I am going to know everything I can--and practice!

Instructors like you guys had, while maybe meeting the requirements are unfortunately part of instruction. I have over 3,500 hours of training in my company, besides college and other schools. And in all cases there are good instructors and poor. I really feel some of these instructors are part of the issue that the DPS is trying to address by laying out the course requirements more thoroughly. This attempts to force the instructors that are not adequately covering laws, safety, etc into a required amount of time for each. On the flip side, it also forces those instructors that were doing a great job of covering things to restructure their courses to meet the requirements exactly. I guess if it helps push some of the mediocre instructors into better teaching, or some of the poor instructors out, then it will be a benefit. However, there will always be those instructors that are just not good at teaching. They are monotone, boring and don't make a class fun as well as educational.

JustMe, the fact that you are here on the forum and active is an indication you take your CHL seriously and want to understand it. But, you are unfortunately some of the small minority of CHL holders who do follow through. I know many who have their license but never carry, and even those that carry but never fire their guns between renewals. Not uncommon. If it weren't for department requirements on re-qualification every 6 months or a year, then there would be many LEO's that would be the same. I know quite a few of them that have not had their duty weapon (or any gun) out since last qualification.

Bottom line, carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility, 2A rights aside, and anyone who does needs to understand the ramifications of carrying that weapon and the importance of following safety and legal rules. Anyone who takes the responsibility lightly needs to rethink their reasons for carrying.

[speedsix]

...nailed it, KeithB...there's good'uns...and there's bad'uns...no matter what you're talkin' 'bout...

[Hoosier Daddy]

The Sarge did tell us that if there was someone who had say arthritis, if they could demonstrate they could load and rack once, we could do it the other times for them if needed.

Yep, you can assist. The way I think everyone sees it is you will have plenty of time to load BEFORE something happens. You should not be needing to load magazines when you are in a defensive situation. Show you know how, then if you have a physical issue where you are really slow or just can't, then the RSO can help load them.

The same rules about helping during the test should apply to all disabilities.

[Keith B]

The Sarge did tell us that if there was someone who had say arthritis, if they could demonstrate they could load and rack once, we could do it the other times for them if needed.

Yep, you can assist. The way I think everyone sees it is you will have plenty of time to load BEFORE something happens. You should not be needing to load magazines when you are in a defensive situation. Show you know how, then if you have a physical issue where you are really slow or just can't, then the RSO can help load them.

The same rules about helping during the test should apply to all disabilities.

Sure, I would help anyone who needed their magazines loaded because of a disability. But there are limits on what you can help with.

[RPB]

The Sarge did tell us that if there was someone who had say arthritis, if they could demonstrate they could load and rack once, we could do it the other times for them if needed.

Yep, you can assist. The way I think everyone sees it is you will have plenty of time to load BEFORE something happens. You should not be needing to load magazines when you are in a defensive situation. Show you know how, then if you have a physical issue where you are really slow or just can't, then the RSO can help load them.

The same rules about helping during the test should apply to all disabilities.

Sure, I would help anyone who needed their magazines loaded because of a disability. But there are limits on what you can help with.

Awwwwe if I had reallllyyyyy bad arthritis I couldn't get you to pull the trigger for me? <kidding>

[Keith B]

Sure, I would help anyone who needed their magazines loaded because of a disability. But there are limits on what you can help with.

Awwwwe if I had reallllyyyyy bad arthritis I couldn't get you to pull the trigger for me? <kidding>

RPB, I might pull your trigger for you, just don't ask me to pull your finger.

[RPB]

Sure, I would help anyone who needed their magazines loaded because of a disability. But there are limits on what you can help with.

Awwwwe if I had reallllyyyyy bad arthritis I couldn't get you to pull the trigger for me? <kidding>

RPB, I might pull your trigger for you, just don't ask me to pull your finger.

[wgoforth]

Sure, I would help anyone who needed their magazines loaded because of a disability. But there are limits on what you can help with.

Awwwwe if I had reallllyyyyy bad arthritis I couldn't get you to pull the trigger for me? <kidding>

RPB, I might pull your trigger for you, just don't ask me to pull your finger.

I was teaching a Gun Basics 101 and had a lady from Canada who had never seen a gun in real life till she moved to Texas. She wanted to learn guns but was scared to death. She was shaking like a leaf (Maple of course) while holding the gun and couldn't make herself pull the trigger. I had to put my finger OVER her finger and pull the trigger with her finger. After she saw it wasn't going to explode, she was fine from then on.