Chuck-E-Cheese

[shootthesheet]

They are not going to bluff me into giving up my ability to defend with a non-compliant sign. We don't always have control of what our family and friends plan and we may be forced into a decision like this.

I will do everything I can to slam a business that tries to hassle a CHL for defending innocent people because their sorry lawyers don't know the law. The law is written to protect US as well as the rights of the property owner. We obey it and they have to also.

[RockingRook]

They are not going to bluff me into giving up my ability to defend with a non-compliant sign. We don't always have control of what our family and friends plan and we may be forced into a decision like this.

I will do everything I can to slam a business that tries to hassle a CHL for defending innocent people because their sorry lawyers don't know the law. The law is written to protect US as well as the rights of the property owner. We obey it and they have to also.

I agree with you but the sign I saw looks legal. If I disregarded the sign I would not be obeying the law. I guess I have to go back, take a picture of the sign, measure the letters
etc then decide. If I am going to pick a fight then i want to first make sure I can win.

Chuck

[TDDude]

I do not think McDonald's is posted yet. The way to challenge those "chain establishments" is to do it "en mass."
I still do not think it will do any good but maybe the threat of losing business might work.

Chuck

I agree completely. Some people don't think we have enough 'bargaining power' as a group to effect this type of change - but I disagree. If enough of us let them know there are losing business, change can happen. There have already been a few example of this working - albeit with smaller local companies.

Here's a concept: Don't go there!! Let the manager know your thoughts, write the corporation a letter and be done with it. Their food stinks anyway. I mean, it’s a kid’s joint that serves beer. What kind of moron thought that was a good idea???? (It's probably been 15 years since I've been in one. They served beer back then. I don't know about now. I remember the pizza was terrible.)

Some of the responses above seem to encourage ignoring the sign since it's improperly posted. It may eventually get you off the charges but you're going for a ride if management "makes" you and it will cost a fortune. Even if you stop something evil from happening, something tells me that you will still be charged and convicted for violating the sign. Chuck-Cheeze will insist on it.

“Criminal Trespass with a Firearm” is a pretty serious felony and that’s exactly what you’re committing when you walk past any 30-06 sign.

Man, just don’t go there. Have your kid’s birthday party at a paintball park. They probably need the exercise anyway.

[RockingRook]

Here's a concept: Don't go there!! Let the manager know your thoughts, write the corporation a letter and be done with it. Their food stinks anyway. I mean, it’s a kid’s joint that serves beer. What kind of moron thought that was a good idea???? (It's probably been 15 years since I've been in one. They served beer back then. I don't know about now. I remember the pizza was terrible.)

You got that right!! I do not intend to go to any of their establishments. The sign is probably not legal because I do not think the letters are 1 inch. I really do not know if they serve beer
and the pizza is not good enough for the money they want. With a coupon 1 large pepperoni pizza and three cokes cost $20 and without the coupon it is about $31. Ridiculous prices!!

My grand kids ate half the pizza and the rest went home in a box and will probably get tossed. My grand kids, 5 yo and 6 yo, are high class they do not eat leftovers.
I try to lay off pizza so it makes it one expensive time.

Chuck

[westex1948]

I just returned from the Mall of Abilene (TX), and observed the newly posted sign at Check-E-Cheese, went by to see after seeing this thread... Seems to have correct wording ... BUT is in UPPER & LOWER Case letters..The UPPER Case letters appear to be 1" tall, of course the LOWER case letters are smaller. Nice sign looks like probably made by corp. headquarters. I bet their legal dept will claim that meets the standard. Do you think that could hold up in court?

I also do not eat there, but have a couple Grandsons, will just find other places for them to waste money....

[v-rog]

Well, it takes a CHL with real guts to go in a chuck-e-cheese unarmed and be around 100+ screaming kids at the same time! You will not find me at one...
I can also tell you that I will stay away from any establishment that prohibits CHLs.

It just doesn't make sense. Here you have a percentage of the population that has undergone the background checks and the work/costs assoicated with obtaining a CHL and you are trying to keep them out?

I am definitely more aware of these types of buisnesses thanks to this forum.

[shootthesheet]

Abilene is just about the only one I would ever be forced into so I will check it next time I am in town. I sent them an e-mail about the posting and that I would not go back and will discourage others from going there too.

I just returned from the Mall of Abilene (TX), and observed the newly posted sign at Check-E-Cheese, went by to see after seeing this thread... Seems to have correct wording ... BUT is in UPPER & LOWER Case letters..The UPPER Case letters appear to be 1" tall, of course the LOWER case letters are smaller. Nice sign looks like probably made by corp. headquarters. I bet their legal dept will claim that meets the standard. Do you think that could hold up in court?

I also do not eat there, but have a couple Grandsons, will just find other places for them to waste money....

[Oldgringo]

Here's a concept: Don't go there!! Let the manager know your thoughts, write the corporation a letter and be done with it. Their food stinks anyway. I mean, it’s a kid’s joint that serves beer. What kind of moron thought that was a good idea???? (It's probably been 15 years since I've been in one. They served beer back then. I don't know about now. I remember the pizza was terrible.)

Some of the responses above seem to encourage ignoring the sign since it's improperly posted. It may eventually get you off the charges but you're going for a ride if management "makes" you and it will cost a fortune. Even if you stop something evil from happening, something tells me that you will still be charged and convicted for violating the sign. Chuck-Cheeze will insist on it.

“Criminal Trespass with a Firearm” is a pretty serious felony and that’s exactly what you’re committing when you walk past any 30-06 sign.

Man, just don’t go there. Have your kid’s birthday party at a paintball park. They probably need the exercise anyway.

There it is! What's so hard to understand about the above words of wisdom?

[speedsix]

I do not think McDonald's is posted yet. The way to challenge those "chain establishments" is to do it "en mass."
I still do not think it will do any good but maybe the threat of losing business might work.

Chuck

I agree completely. Some people don't think we have enough 'bargaining power' as a group to effect this type of change - but I disagree. If enough of us let them know there are losing business, change can happen. There have already been a few example of this working - albeit with smaller local companies.

Here's a concept: Don't go there!! Let the manager know your thoughts, write the corporation a letter and be done with it. Their food stinks anyway. I mean, it’s a kid’s joint that serves beer. What kind of moron thought that was a good idea???? (It's probably been 15 years since I've been in one. They served beer back then. I don't know about now. I remember the pizza was terrible.)

Some of the responses above seem to encourage ignoring the sign since it's improperly posted. It may eventually get you off the charges but you're going for a ride if management "makes" you and it will cost a fortune. Even if you stop something evil from happening, something tells me that you will still be charged and convicted for violating the sign. Chuck-Cheeze will insist on it.

“Criminal Trespass with a Firearm” is a pretty serious felony and that’s exactly what you’re committing when you walk past any 30-06 sign.

Man, just don’t go there. Have your kid’s birthday party at a paintball park. They probably need the exercise anyway.

...I strongly agree with you...the pizza at Chucky Cheese's is horrible...and overpriced....

...I strongly DISagree with you...you would be charged under the 30.06 which you violated, IF you walked past a PROPER 30.06 sign...and that's a misdemeanor...even carrying a weapon and being charged under 30.05 Criminal Trespass would be a misdemeanor...re-read the laws...neither is a felony...

...but my biggest gripe about not only your point of view, but that of many others, comes with the Chicken Little mindset...if the business is improperly posted, then the sign has no authority under 30.06, and you HAVEN'T broken ANY law...so you WON'T be needing to worry about a "ride"...even if you conceal so sloppily that you're "made"...which would say a lot about your carry habits...Chuckup Cheeze can't "insist" that an officer of the law arrest you when you haven't broken a law...
...if we, as law-abiding CHL folks, don't quit running scared and start standing up within the rights and framework provided to us by the written laws..."they"'re going to win by intimidation...and, speaking for myself, that's just not going to happen...

...Follow every part of the written law...know what you're doing, do it right...conceal properly, keep your trap shut while in a non-gun-friendly business...and live your life...this is the USA...you don't have to live in fear when you're doing the LEGAL thing...and they have nothing to "get" you with if they have an unenforceable sign...all they can do is give you a verbal or written notification and ask you to leave...IF you let them "make" you....MOST LEOs in Texas are highly professional and gun friendly...the chances of you being subjected to a false arrest are minimal, and would probably be handled at the station by a knowledgeable supervisor with apologies...if, in your case, you went to jail, had to make bond, and had to get a lawyer when you hadn't broken a law...there is civil recourse which has been used in several cases across the country which would recoup your financial losses and soothe your hurt feelings...and your record would be cleared...you might even have cause to sue the offending business...THIS IS AMERICA...if you haven't broken a law...you need not fear arrest...live your life out loud, or , if you can't do that...quit scaring the folks who will read your posts...it just ain't so...

...this is not personal...it goes for every member here...if we're right...we're RIGHT...use the laws written for our benefit...and live free...

...

[speedsix]

...I would also like to see a system where the CHL holders in Tx were databased so that notices could be sent out about businesses like Chuckup Cheeze...if they got 200,000 complaints, they'd hear them a lot better than one here and one there...that's assuming only 50% of CHL holders would respond...they, and their extended families, would get some attention with most corporate offices...and a proper corporate response would produce results for the profit line on their annual report...I don't know how we could set that up...

[speedsix]

I just returned from the Mall of Abilene (TX), and observed the newly posted sign at Check-E-Cheese, went by to see after seeing this thread... Seems to have correct wording ... BUT is in UPPER & LOWER Case letters..The UPPER Case letters appear to be 1" tall, of course the LOWER case letters are smaller. Nice sign looks like probably made by corp. headquarters. I bet their legal dept will claim that meets the standard. Do you think that could hold up in court?

I also do not eat there, but have a couple Grandsons, will just find other places for them to waste money....

...in court, can we claim that we kept the law if we kept (a), (b), and (c) but ignored (d) and maybe (e)??? no...and the judge would be quick to point out that we must keep the WHOLE law as written...

...a multi-million dollar corporation is LEGALLY held to the same standard...if their signage doesn't meet each point of the law...they can not legally claim it has the authority contained within the law...and the battle's on!!!

[Embalmo]

I've heard of several members berating Chuck E. Cheese over their non-compliant signs. Maybe Chuck E. Cheese management got tired of it and responded by researching how to make the signs compliant and end the matter. Yea, I know, the threats of lost business never mention signs, but it certainly gets the conversation started with those who get to decide what kind of signs to post.

Embalmo

[speedsix]

...that's the downside of discussing an unenforceable sign with a closed minded person or corporation...you may win the battle but lose the war...if the sign doesn't match every detail of 30.06, CONCEAL and CARRY and only open your mouth to take another BITE

[terryg]

...that's the downside of discussing an unenforceable sign with a closed minded person or corporation...you may win the battle but lose the war...if the sign doesn't match every detail of 30.06, CONCEAL and CARRY and only open your mouth to take another BITE

Not ok to discuss whether a sign is legit or not ... don't want to teach them anything they don't already know ...

Is ok to let them know they won't get your business because they don't allow guns ... don't want to crush good old time tested consumer activism ...

Edited in an effort to undo unintended offense ...

[terryg]

I've heard of several members berating Chuck E. Cheese over their non-compliant signs. Maybe Chuck E. Cheese management got tired of it and responded by researching how to make the signs compliant and end the matter. Yea, I know, the threats of lost business never mention signs, but it certainly gets the conversation started with those who get to decide what kind of signs to post.

There are actually quite a few members who advocate intentionally letting management know that the signs are not enforceable. I suspect it is these members who have caused the push toward compliant signs - not those of us who simply boycott with our dollars.