Legality of 51% sign in a bar in a bowling alley?

[wcalvert]

I'm bumping an old thread that I started, but I have a small update. I went back there for the first time since I posted originally (didn't file with TABC before) and confirmed the what I had seen before and filed the complaint via email to the TABC today. Will update thread when I get a response.

[tacticool]

Is there any way for the people who are expected to obey the law to see a copy of the premises diagram?

Some of my friends have started hanging out somewhere that is not posted 51% but has a snack bar inside that is posted 51%. They seem to sell more water and soft drinks than beer/wine, but water/soda are $1 per bottle and beer/wine is $3 per drink, so I can believe the snack shop revenue is more than half from beer/wine some nights. However, the primary business has significantly more revenue than the snack shop (similar to a bowling alley) so I'l like to see the premise diagram to find out if I can carry there or if I have to skip that night.

[Keith B]

Is there any way for the people who are expected to obey the law to see a copy of the premises diagram?

Some of my friends have started hanging out somewhere that is not posted 51% but has a snack bar inside that is posted 51%. They seem to sell more water and soft drinks than beer/wine, but water/soda are $1 per bottle and beer/wine is $3 per drink, so I can believe the snack shop revenue is more than half from beer/wine some nights. However, the primary business has significantly more revenue than the snack shop (similar to a bowling alley) so I'l like to see the premise diagram to find out if I can carry there or if I have to skip that night.

What is the location? It may show on the website that they have a Food and Beverage license. If so, then they are not a 51% location and have the wrong sign up. One thing to note, is if you cannot take the drinks outside of the snack bar area, then that area may be owned separately from the business and the only area licensed for that part of the building and would potentially be a 51% location. A call to the TABC local field office should be able to tell you if the whole building is covered or just that area.

[tacticool]

What is the location? It may show on the website that they have a Food and Beverage license. If so, then they are not a 51% location and have the wrong sign up. One thing to note, is if you cannot take the drinks outside of the snack bar area, then that area may be owned separately from the business and the only area licensed for that part of the building and would potentially be a 51% location. A call to the TABC local field office should be able to tell you if the whole building is covered or just that area.

The license was the first thing I checked when I got home that evening. They have a "WINE AND BEER RETAILER'S PERMIT (BG)" with no FB certificate. The drinks may be taken anywhere, which is consistent with my understanding that a BG may sell for off premises consumption. (Drinks are only sold AT the snackbar counter. No roving waitstaff.)

I guess a call to the local field office is in order to see if they can give me any details on the diagrammed premises.

[Keith B]

What is the location? It may show on the website that they have a Food and Beverage license. If so, then they are not a 51% location and have the wrong sign up. One thing to note, is if you cannot take the drinks outside of the snack bar area, then that area may be owned separately from the business and the only area licensed for that part of the building and would potentially be a 51% location. A call to the TABC local field office should be able to tell you if the whole building is covered or just that area.

The license was the first thing I checked when I got home that evening. They have a "WINE AND BEER RETAILER'S PERMIT (BG)" with no FB certificate. The drinks may be taken anywhere, which is consistent with my understanding that a BG may sell for off premises consumption. (Drinks are only sold AT the snackbar counter. No roving waitstaff.)

I guess a call to the local field office is in order to see if they can give me any details on the diagrammed premises.

Any way to get a look at their license on premise and see if they are truly a 51% location?

[wcalvert]

Any thoughts on how long I should give the TABC to contact me back? I'm going to set a reminder for a month from now and give them a call if I don't hear anything.

[Keith B]

Any thoughts on how long I should give the TABC to contact me back? I'm going to set a reminder for a month from now and give them a call if I don't hear anything.

I wouldn't go more than a week without hearing something.

[wcalvert]

Any thoughts on how long I should give the TABC to contact me back? I'm going to set a reminder for a month from now and give them a call if I don't hear anything.

I wouldn't go more than a week without hearing something.

I still haven't heard anything back, and I just followed up with them. Called the Houston office, and I got a nice lady who put me on hold for a few minutes and came back and said that all of the officers were out and she would take down my info and call me back. Semi-against my better judgement, I left my name and number and she said that they would call me back ASAP. I asked when she though (later today, tomorrow, next week, etc) and she said very soon and that she apologized about not having anybody there. I'll give them until about 3PM tomorrow before I call back

[wcalvert]

Got a call back just now from a very nice person at the TABC Houston office.

He said a compliance officer was sent out and they were issued 2 warnings. One for improper posting and one for another form of that wording.

Sounds like that they A) Had a red sign instead of blue and B) improper sign location.

I'll have to stop by and check it out and throw a few games. I now feel a lot better knowing that I can probably carry my gun with me

[JP171]

Got a call back just now from a very nice person at the TABC Houston office.

He said a compliance officer was sent out and they were issued 2 warnings. One for improper posting and one for another form of that wording.

Sounds like that they A) Had a red sign instead of blue and B) improper sign location.

I'll have to stop by and check it out and throw a few games. I now feel a lot better knowing that I can probably carry my gun with me

yea right up untill someone figures out about the 30.06 sign

[wcalvert]

Got a call back just now from a very nice person at the TABC Houston office.

He said a compliance officer was sent out and they were issued 2 warnings. One for improper posting and one for another form of that wording.

Sounds like that they A) Had a red sign instead of blue and B) improper sign location.

I'll have to stop by and check it out and throw a few games. I now feel a lot better knowing that I can probably carry my gun with me

yea right up untill someone figures out about the 30.06 sign

Well, they have three doors that are unlocked entrances, so I will be sure to let the TABC if they post improperly. They probably don't get warnings the second time an agent is sent out and finds inconsistencies.

[wcalvert]

Through the new fantastic online TABC searchable database, I can see what happened and when!

I submitted the form via email on Feb. 22 (notating for them to please respond via email)

The premises was checked on March 15 and they received a written warning for "Failure to Properly Display a Permit or License" and a written warning for "Failure to Post Required Sign"

They had a red sign up and their license is blue.

I called April 6 to get an update and they called me back April 7 and notified me two warnings were issued.

I don't think a 3-4 work turnaround is bad at all. The two people I talked with via phone from the Houston office were very professional and they get much respect. Them along with the TABC as a whole for putting the database online