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jimlongley wrote:
I have done a similar thing in my technical courses, tell them one thing, and then find out how much attention they are paying by diagramming it wrong on the board, usually with a significant pause and long stare at my audience. Of course I had the misfortune to be written up by a student, once, for "leering." I think she was the same one that wrote me up for using the recognized international standard designations for the gender of plug and sockets.
I would argue that his gun was stolen as a result of his failure to secure it. What if he had been going into a courthouse? He would have the same chance of losing it in a vehicle break-in. The instructor not being correct is a separate issue in my opinion.C-dub wrote:That's a real shame. I know he won't be able to recover anything from this "instructor", but he can sure let him know that his gun was stolen from his vehicle as a result of his misinformation. Lay a guilt trip on him if that's possible. Maybe, just maybe, he'll start teaching the truth so no one else will fall victim to his ignorance.
If he's more hung up on his pride than on being right, that's his problem not mine. I would tell him in private and give him the chance to fix it and if he didn't I would stand up and tell the class why he was wrong and demand my money back and tell everybody else they can't trust what he says.C-dub wrote:If that situation were to arise, where an instructor fails to see that they are giving out incorrect information, what are we to do? How likely is it that this incorrect information would be a question on the written exam that the entire class could potentially answer incorrectly because of the instructors poor instruction?
Bullwhip wrote:If he's more hung up on his pride than on being right, that's his problem not mine. I would tell him in private and give him the chance to fix it and if he didn't I would stand up and tell the class why he was wrong and demand my money back and tell everybody else they can't trust what he says.C-dub wrote:If that situation were to arise, where an instructor fails to see that they are giving out incorrect information, what are we to do? How likely is it that this incorrect information would be a question on the written exam that the entire class could potentially answer incorrectly because of the instructors poor instruction?
I like to get along with folks but I won't "just be nice" while they put out dangerous wrong info.
Some things are too serious to just let go nicely without setting out the truth if a private conversation does not change the instructor's mind. Better to speak the truth than to "just be nice".You are correct, except that the only reason the gun was stolen is because of the incorrect information. I will also concede that it is our responsibility to read the statutes, but there will always be people that think the instructors always right. If the correct information had been given the gun would have been in its holster on the man's hip and not in the vehicle. If he were going to a place were it was forbidden to carry then it would have been his own choice to bring it at all knowing he was going to have to leave it in the vehicle. I know he will never recover anything from the instructor, but if this were me I would certainly lay the guilt trip on him for giving out incorrect information that directly lead to me leaving my gun in my vehicle.Tightwad wrote:I would argue that his gun was stolen as a result of his failure to secure it. What if he had been going into a courthouse? He would have the same chance of losing it in a vehicle break-in. The instructor not being correct is a separate issue in my opinion.C-dub wrote:That's a real shame. I know he won't be able to recover anything from this "instructor", but he can sure let him know that his gun was stolen from his vehicle as a result of his misinformation. Lay a guilt trip on him if that's possible. Maybe, just maybe, he'll start teaching the truth so no one else will fall victim to his ignorance.
Please allow me to disagree: The only reason the gun was stolen was because persons unknown found it inside the car and decided it rightfully belonged to them (i.e., some jerk stole it). As one who is seriously constrained from carrying for the major part of the week, protecting any firearm inside a vehicle is paramount for me. Of course, our currently broken society makes it necessary....C-dub wrote: You are correct, except that the only reason the gun was stolen is because of the incorrect information.
OldSchool wrote:Please allow me to disagree: The only reason the gun was stolen was because persons unknown found it inside the car and decided it rightfully belonged to them (i.e., some jerk stole it). As one who is seriously constrained from carrying for the major part of the week, protecting any firearm inside a vehicle is paramount for me. Of course, our currently broken society makes it necessary....C-dub wrote: You are correct, except that the only reason the gun was stolen is because of the incorrect information.
The reason the gun was stolen is because a thief stole it. I seriously doubt that the thief decided "it rightfully belonged to them". If he did, then maybe he could have an insanity defense.
Well, given that I've never been keen on the sanity of people who are predisposed to stealing....WildBill wrote:The reason the gun was stolen is because a thief stole it. I seriously doubt that the thief decided "it rightfully belonged to them". If he did, then maybe he could have an insanity defense.
If they insist on teaching bad information, I agree with a previous post that said to tell DPS.TXlaw1 wrote:Bullwhip wrote:I like to get along with folks but I won't "just be nice" while they put out dangerous wrong info.
It is more than likely that you'd be told you are welcome to leave, but that you shouldn't expect to get your money back.Bullwhip wrote:If he's more hung up on his pride than on being right, that's his problem not mine. I would tell him in private and give him the chance to fix it and if he didn't I would stand up and tell the class why he was wrong and demand my money back and tell everybody else they can't trust what he says.C-dub wrote:If that situation were to arise, where an instructor fails to see that they are giving out incorrect information, what are we to do? How likely is it that this incorrect information would be a question on the written exam that the entire class could potentially answer incorrectly because of the instructors poor instruction?
I like to get along with folks but I won't "just be nice" while they put out dangerous wrong info.
