Crime Statistics: CHL v. General Population

[OldSchool]

My understanding is that the LEO comparison figures do exist, and they are quite favorable to CHL's. However, they are also politically inflammatory (which does not help our cause), and thus not currently to be widely used until necessary.

[Charles L. Cotton]

As far as I know, no one compiles data on crimes committed by profession.

LEOs commit plenty of crimes, but they tend to be in the areas of official misconduct or domestic abuse. Anyone who is interested can easily come up with a list of LEO offenses that are currently in the news, like this: http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=32878" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Every profession has a degree of crime that is related to the privileges and risks of that profession. I could probably alienate everybody by coming up with another list.

- Jim

I have the data on LEO's obtained form TCLEOSE, but I don't publish it. It doesn't help CHL's and I don't want it used to attack LEO's. (I'm not saying you would do that Seamus.)

Chas.

[seamusTX]

It doesn't help CHL's ...

I agree that it wouldn't be helpful.

The important figures, IMHO, are how many crimes are prevented by armed citizens versus how many crimes are committed by armed citizens (non-LEOs). The antis won't accept those numbers, either.

These arguments are never settled by using facts, because they're all about emotion in the first place.

- Jim

[chabouk]

The only relevant comparisons between LEOs and CHLs are:
- rates of criminal convictions (unrelated to gun issues)
- rates of criminal convictions (related to gun issues)
- comparison of innocent bystanders shot, versus the intended target

...anyone else?

[patriot76]

I'm wondering why so many CHL's have had trouble with carrying prohibited weapons. Can you or someone elaborate on this? It sure does not help our image. Are there lessons to be learned?

[seamusTX]

Huh? In 2007, the last year reported, FOUR CHL holders were convicted of illegal weapons violations. That would be things like switchblades and brass knuckles.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administra ... rt2007.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Probably as many Catholic nuns were convicted of some offense, and there aren't that many Catholic nuns these days.

- Jim

[patriot76]

Sorry. I meant unlawful carrying of a weapon. There were 29 cases. What does that mean?

[TLE2]

Just don't do like the global warming guys and delete the raw data!

Thanks to both you and Allison.

[seamusTX]

Sorry. I meant unlawful carrying of a weapon. There were 29 cases. What does that mean?

I don't know. No one seems to know.

- Jim

[Charles L. Cotton]

Sorry. I meant unlawful carrying of a weapon. There were 29 cases. What does that mean?

I don't know. No one seems to know.

- Jim

That's a general category and it would include things like carrying in a 51% location, school building, courthouses, carrying while intoxicated, etc. It is not a violation of TPC §46.02 as it would be for non-CHL's.

Chas.

[Purplehood]

As far as I know, no one compiles data on crimes committed by profession.

LEOs commit plenty of crimes, but they tend to be in the areas of official misconduct or domestic abuse. Anyone who is interested can easily come up with a list of LEO offenses that are currently in the news, like this: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=32878" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Every profession has a degree of crime that is related to the privileges and risks of that profession. I could probably alienate everybody by coming up with another list.

- Jim

I have the data on LEO's obtained form TCLEOSE, but I don't publish it. It doesn't help CHL's and I don't want it used to attack LEO's. (I'm not saying you would do that Seamus.)

Chas.

Not to disparage LEO's, but I would imagine that alot of that data is massaged in the first place. The "final" statistics may be classified in a more positive light than they might actually be. All bureaucracies have a tendency to do that.

[Ashlar]

I spent some time looking at the summary data from the DPS site and came up with the following:



I didn't do the breakdown of data per offense, just a summary. I compared the conviction rate of CHL holders (per 100k permit holders) to the conviction rate of the general public (per 100k population > 21 yoa). There are more numbers in the excel worksheet.

Population data: http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/CHS/popdat/detailX.shtm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Conviction data: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administra ... vrates.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[firefighter3217]

The one thing I cant figure out in the 2007 stats is this line:

Unlawful carry of a weapon License Holder (Overall) 15 (CHL) 9

So if they were license holders, how did all 24 not end up in the CHL category? Or are there different licenses in the same category (ie: armed security)?

[seamusTX]

No one who knows how that came about is talking. Most likely it is a result of coding errors or plea bargains.

The topic has been discussed before:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=38706" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11348" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- Jim

[Charles L. Cotton]

No one who knows how that came about is talking. Most likely it is a result of coding errors or plea bargains.

The topic has been discussed before:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=38706" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11348" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- Jim

I have no idea how that happens, other than a coding error as Jim suggests.

Chas.