No Gun Apartment Lease?

[HighHandicap]

Maybe I missed it but what part of Texas you moving to?

I am going to be in the San Angelo area. Never been there, so not too sure what to expect.I was stationed in Wichita Falls, TX for a few months, but that was about 7 years ago and dont remember much about that area.

So be sure to update us when you've talked to your lawyer.

[gregthehand]

As others have said I would quit rattling the monkey cage and asking. Personally I wouldn't want anyone that worked at the apartments I lived at knowing I owned firearms. If you ask it would be a good sign that you own multiple firearms. If they are crooked they may have a friend come break in with the intent to steal them. Maybe not the front desk lady but what if she makes some little joke to a maintenance guy off the cuff on the lines of "Make sure you knock before going in there! That guys a gun nut!" Now the maintenance guy knows. At most of the places I lived the maintenance guy wasn't what I would call clean cut and honest looking and sometimes only spoke Spanish.

So really if nothing other than security and peace of mind I would stop asking. It outs you immediately. I mean who here walks into an office building or other environment, turns to someone who works there and says "Do you mind if I carry a firearms in here?". NOBODY does. We wait until we receive proper notification. If it's not proper notification we don't tell them how to do it right (at least we shouldn't be) we just keep on trucking. In your case that's what I would do. Think OPSEC (Operational Security for those who weren't in the military) and keep your business just that. YOUR BUSINESS. No need flaunting it out there that you are a gun owner unless it comes up. Even then in the case you provided I still wouldn't say anything as it wouldn't help anything and there clause has no teeth.

[shooter76blue]

I live in San Angelo and am retired military. Believe me, you do not have to worry AT ALL about the verbage on the lease. We are gun friendly...

[flynbenny]

I think the best thing to do would be to call a lawyer and get their take on it. I'd be pretty tempted to move on from a place like that since they're obvious intent is to be anti-gun. Have you looked at their physical location? Maybe they're a posted 30.06 and you can't carry there.

Edit:*** They may not be able to legally enforce their policy, but they can be a real pain in the butt until you can't wait to leave. Better safe than sorry.

The 30.06 issue was my first thought as well. Also, I believe that the OP has just been given verbal notice as well. I would look into another complex if possible.

The problem is that out of all the apartment complexes I have called in the area, only 1/2 are gun friendly. I am really surprised by all of this.

The lady on the phone said, "we do not allow guns, because we follow what the lease says."

I recommend never asking this question. Just read the lease and act in accordance with the terms thereof.

Chas.

Every apartment I've ever leased has that written in there. Just don't bring up, you never know who's listening in the office either.

Also make sure your safe (assuming you have one) is wrapped in packing paper or boxed, so the neighbors don't see you moving it in. I bolt them to the wall and or floor, just have to patch the holes when I move out.

I did get some eyebrows raised when the office got a large (1500 rds) shipment of ammo for me, but ended up taking the manager out to shoot, now she has a gun and is learning...

I have seen several apartments primarily in Addison and North Dallas (I used to deliver pizza there) that have gunbusters, 'No Weapons', or non compliant 30.06 signs (too small or no spanish). I have yet to see one with a valid posting.

[chabouk]

Leases are negotiable. Feel free to strike out or modify objectionable language before signing it.

Of course, they're under no obligation to accept the application if you've changed it in a way that is unacceptable to them, just as you're not obligated to accept it if it's objectionable to you.

[03Lightningrocks]

Excuse me but I still don't see what is objectionable about that wording in the lease. Since when is it anti gun to ask folks not to display their guns in a threatening manner. You guys sure make a lot of something out of nothing on this forum sometimes. I am actually with the apartments. Don't be waving your darn gun around. Your not suppose to be showing it off anyway. The lease wording is just fine. Nothing about it even hints around about guns not being allowed in the apartment. It says not to use them to scare folks... JEEPERS CREEPERS!!! Are you guys really not understanding what that wording says???

[Dragonfighter]

Excuse me but I still don't see what is objectionable about that wording in the lease. Since when is it anti gun to ask folks not to display their guns in a threatening manner. You guys sure make a lot of something out of nothing on this forum sometimes. I am actually with the apartments. Don't be waving your darn gun around. Your not suppose to be showing it off anyway. The lease wording is just fine. Nothing about it even hints around about guns not being allowed in the apartment. It says not to use them to scare folks... JEEPERS CREEPERS!!! Are you guys really not understanding what that wording says???

A little too much caffeine today Lightning?

[03Lightningrocks]

Excuse me but I still don't see what is objectionable about that wording in the lease. Since when is it anti gun to ask folks not to display their guns in a threatening manner. You guys sure make a lot of something out of nothing on this forum sometimes. I am actually with the apartments. Don't be waving your darn gun around. Your not suppose to be showing it off anyway. The lease wording is just fine. Nothing about it even hints around about guns not being allowed in the apartment. It says not to use them to scare folks... JEEPERS CREEPERS!!! Are you guys really not understanding what that wording says???

A little too much caffeine today Lightning?

No...LOL... this is just one of those threads that should have had one answer and then ended. This is NOT an anti-gun conspiracy issue. This is a case of the apartment complex reserving the right to throw you out if you threaten one of your neighbors with one of the mentioned weapons. Of coarse they don't give a crap if you have a gun!!! Good night nurse! OK.... maybe a little to much coffee at the waffle house this morning. But some of these fellers act like they feel guilty for owning a gun. Maybe they feel so guilty they are looking for confirmation that owning a gun is OK? I don't know.... just doing some amateur psychoanalyzing of the whole issue with all these posts seeking permission to exercise ones right to own a firearm. I guess after a whole life of owning weapons, hunting and having 100's of friends and aquaintences with guns, i don't feel I need permission to own a weapon. if not told specifically it is forbidden.... it is as OK as wearing boxer shorts. Sorry..... I don't feel any diferent about my gun ownership than I do the milk in my fridge. it's really nothing special and it really makes you nothing special to own one.... or to carry one. We are Americans.... own a gun...it is still OK and it sure as heck doesn't make you a tough guy.

The pork chop and egg breakfast was goood.... and no... I didn't ask them if they minded me having a gun hidden under my shirt. i am pretty sure they never knew it was there.

[03Lightningrocks]

After all that rambling.... the point I was trying to make is this.

QUIT SEEKING PERMISSION TO EXERCISE YOUR RKBA! YOU DON"T NEED SPECIAL PERMISSION TO OWN A FIREARM! When you ask somebody something stupid like... "Can I bring my gun?" You sound like a nut! I would probably ask you what the heck also,.... and wonder what in the heck you ask me that for. It almost sounds threatening. just do it and quit acting all suspicious about it.

To further illustrate what I am getting at... does anyone ask if it is Ok to bring your stereo or your electric guitar? There are rules about that in the lease too! I bet if you did ask, the person you ask would suddenly get nervous why you are seeking special permission for such a thing so silly. they would probably wonder if you planned to blast loud music all day and night. same for guns folks! you make them wonder what you are acting so goofy about!

[bdickens]

[Scire.Factor]

After all that rambling.... the point I was trying to make is this.

QUIT SEEKING PERMISSION TO EXERCISE YOUR RKBA! YOU DON"T NEED SPECIAL PERMISSION TO OWN A FIREARM! When you ask somebody something stupid like... "Can I bring my gun?" You sound like a nut! I would probably ask you what the heck also,.... and wonder what in the heck you ask me that for. It almost sounds threatening. just do it and quit acting all suspicious about it.

To further illustrate what I am getting at... does anyone ask if it is Ok to bring your stereo or your electric guitar? There are rules about that in the lease too! I bet if you did ask, the person you ask would suddenly get nervous why you are seeking special permission for such a thing so silly. they would probably wonder if you planned to blast loud music all day and night. same for guns folks! you make them wonder what you are acting so goofy about!

Alright, well my bad for asking about the verbage of the lease to ensure that I was not A) breaking any law or B) breaking the terms of my potential future lease. When I called and asked, I did not provide a name, my current location, or even my occupation to ensure that they wouldnt remember me. Again, all I did was call and asked if they had the terms spelled out in their lease against gun ownership and if so, can I have a copy of their lease. The part of the lease that I posted came from an apartment complex where the lady in the front desk told me that they are 100% gun free zone, so I wanted to ensure I was reading the lease correctly since it contradicted the employee. Again, my mistake - and I will try to not let my inexperience in concealed carrying or texas law waste this forum's time.

[ScottDLS]

After all that rambling.... the point I was trying to make is this.

QUIT SEEKING PERMISSION TO EXERCISE YOUR RKBA! YOU DON"T NEED SPECIAL PERMISSION TO OWN A FIREARM! When you ask somebody something stupid like... "Can I bring my gun?" You sound like a nut! I would probably ask you what the heck also,.... and wonder what in the heck you ask me that for. It almost sounds threatening. just do it and quit acting all suspicious about it.

To further illustrate what I am getting at... does anyone ask if it is Ok to bring your stereo or your electric guitar? There are rules about that in the lease too! I bet if you did ask, the person you ask would suddenly get nervous why you are seeking special permission for such a thing so silly. they would probably wonder if you planned to blast loud music all day and night. same for guns folks! you make them wonder what you are acting so goofy about!

Alright, well my bad for asking about the verbage of the lease to ensure that I was not A) breaking any law or B) breaking the terms of my potential future lease. When I called and asked, I did not provide a name, my current location, or even my occupation to ensure that they wouldnt remember me. Again, all I did was call and asked if they had the terms spelled out in their lease against gun ownership and if so, can I have a copy of their lease. The part of the lease that I posted came from an apartment complex where the lady in the front desk told me that they are 100% gun free zone, so I wanted to ensure I was reading the lease correctly since it contradicted the employee. Again, my mistake - and I will try to not let my inexperience in concealed carrying or texas law waste this forum's time.

These threads just seem to veer off into the theoretical and philosophical ruminations about private property rights and civil and criminal law. We (at least I...) enjoy wasting our time on this stuff. I mean look, your question was valid and probably had a consensus answer about 5 or 6 posts in, but then the Monday morning legal quarterbacks (like me) decided to make it last another 4 pages. I don't think anyone believes you were wasting their time by posting it.

The lease terms you posted don't appear to prohibit concealed carry or keeping firearms in your apartment. The lady at the front desk is a moron and what she says contradicts the lease. I wouldn't worry about it.

[Scire.Factor]

After all that rambling.... the point I was trying to make is this.

QUIT SEEKING PERMISSION TO EXERCISE YOUR RKBA! YOU DON"T NEED SPECIAL PERMISSION TO OWN A FIREARM! When you ask somebody something stupid like... "Can I bring my gun?" You sound like a nut! I would probably ask you what the heck also,.... and wonder what in the heck you ask me that for. It almost sounds threatening. just do it and quit acting all suspicious about it.

To further illustrate what I am getting at... does anyone ask if it is Ok to bring your stereo or your electric guitar? There are rules about that in the lease too! I bet if you did ask, the person you ask would suddenly get nervous why you are seeking special permission for such a thing so silly. they would probably wonder if you planned to blast loud music all day and night. same for guns folks! you make them wonder what you are acting so goofy about!

Alright, well my bad for asking about the verbage of the lease to ensure that I was not A) breaking any law or B) breaking the terms of my potential future lease. When I called and asked, I did not provide a name, my current location, or even my occupation to ensure that they wouldnt remember me. Again, all I did was call and asked if they had the terms spelled out in their lease against gun ownership and if so, can I have a copy of their lease. The part of the lease that I posted came from an apartment complex where the lady in the front desk told me that they are 100% gun free zone, so I wanted to ensure I was reading the lease correctly since it contradicted the employee. Again, my mistake - and I will try to not let my inexperience in concealed carrying or texas law waste this forum's time.

These threads just seem to veer off into the theoretical and philosophical ruminations about private property rights and civil and criminal law. We (at least I...) enjoy wasting our time on this stuff. I mean look, your question was valid and probably had a consensus answer about 5 or 6 posts in, but then the Monday morning legal quarterbacks (like me) decided to make it last another 4 pages. I don't think anyone believes you were wasting their time by posting it.

The lease terms you posted don't appear to prohibit concealed carry or keeping firearms in your apartment. The lady at the front desk is a moron and what she says contradicts the lease. I wouldn't worry about it.

Thank you and I have gotten really good information from not only this post, but other posts within this forum. So, thank you again everyone.

[E.Marquez]

Excuse me but I still don't see what is objectionable about that wording in the lease. Since when is it anti gun to ask folks not to display their guns in a threatening manner. You guys sure make a lot of something out of nothing on this forum sometimes. I am actually with the apartments. Don't be waving your darn gun around. Your not suppose to be showing it off anyway. The lease wording is just fine. Nothing about it even hints around about guns not being allowed in the apartment. It says not to use them to scare folks... JEEPERS CREEPERS!!! Are you guys really not understanding what that wording says???

I suppose you may see it that way..

I suppose someone who is also articulate and well read could interpret the wording a bit differently and then think ahead to ask some clarifying questions from a group of people known to have some good life experience and common sense.

It may just be me,,, but the wording on the lease seems to be very open to interpretations and allow the apartment manager to lean to non gun if they want, or ignore the verbiage and allow you to clean um on the front porch.

display, discharge, or possess, a gun, knife, or other weapon in a way that may
threaten or alarm others or Roommates including but not limited to any pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, or other
weapon designed or intended to propel a missile of any kind, knives of stated dimensions, razors, throwing stars, nun
chucks, and similar objects;

That one little word.. MAY.

There are un informed folks out there who are threatened by the simple existence of a firearm... nothing in the lease verbiage says "waive it around" .
So if you posses a gun,, and I'm threatened by it,, your in violation of the lease.... or at least that is what i read. I don't agree with that thought process... but, it is a reality in my work.


IANAL.. no pretend to be one.... I have to deal with offended people for EO reasons,, where the standard is,, if the other person is offended,,, your wrong... so I'm bias on what i read in that lease for sure.

[03Lightningrocks]

My point was.... and I said it very clearly. His post could have been answered in one simple response. There is No issue with that lease.There is No wording or even a hint of no guns allowed. Instead.... we get all kinds of what ifs, conjectures..... and even a couple guys proclaiming that the apartment complex is somehow anti-gun. It is laughable at times. To the OP.... I see no reason for you to get your feelings hurt. Your question was legit. Just realize.... there is NO need to seek special permission to own a firearm. This is America. When we ask folks if they care if we bring our guns along.... we are acting suspicious. Like I said before.... nobody would ask if it was OK to bring a stereo, or your special Ginsu Knives. Guns are just as legal as a stereo in AMERICA. Actually.... more legal than a stereo. They are protected by our constitution.Well.... the real America, anyway. Life may be different in Kali or New York. Personally...... I can't wait until we give them another go for their money...J/K...LOL.

It seems to me that we should all try not to act like we are special simply because we own a gun... or toothbrush...... or pots and pans. When i read posts from guys asking special permission to own a weapon, it actually frightens me for the direction we are headed with our RKABA. It also gives insight to how you feel about owning your firearm. if you were not feeling somewhat guilty about it, or even uncomfortable, you would not feel the need to ask if it was OK to own it or bring it into your new domicile. It is as pure as the right to free speech. Anyone here feel compelled to ask an apartment manager if there is a list of what can and cannot be said in the apartment complex? I didn't think so. I wonder if you read the part about not making a noise nuisance of yourself if you would think that means you can't talk in the place?

Any of you get what I am saying yet?????