Cuffed and Stuffed

[handog]

Maybe everybody should print out the CHL hand book highlight the spot that pertain to this and mail/email it to the RRPD police chief and/or mayor. It is silent, non-aggressive and to the point. Just a thought.



Mailing Address
Bryan H. Williams
Office of the Chief of Police
2701 N. Mays
Round Rock, Texas 78665

bwilliams@round-rock.tx.us


Mailing Address:
Round Rock Police Department
Office of Internal Affairs
2701 N. Mays
Round Rock, Texas 78665

ggolden@round-rock.tx.us

Complaints against a Round Rock police officer may be made by phone, by letter, or in person. In order to file a complaint you may contact Sergeant Grant Golden or the Police Supervisor on duty. The address and telephone number for making complaints is:

Round Rock Police
Internal Affairs Office
2701 N. Mays
Round Rock, TX 78665
Main number (512) 218-5500
Internal Affairs Office (512) 218-5535

Here it is:

PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
HOLDER. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person
under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally,
knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority
of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of
whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's
person

[PeteCamp]

The problem I see you having in Round Rock is that many of the citizens are Kalifornia immigrants. They very well may applaud the officers for violating your rights.

I guess I'm confused. Most of California wants all laws involving crime repealed. Simple citation for marijuana etc. How is it that immigrants want the return of the Gestapo? I guess I'm just too simple.

Sorry ... didn't want to off track the thread. Talking to the Mayor and Chief would be excellent ideas - as would sending them copies of the applicable laws.

[sjfcontrol]

the "Kalifornia" business is highly exaggerated.

[03Lightningrocks]

The problem I see you having in Round Rock is that many of the citizens are Kalifornia immigrants. They very well may applaud the officers for violating your rights.

I guess I'm confused. Most of California wants all laws involving crime repealed. Simple citation for marijuana etc. How is it that immigrants want the return of the Gestapo? I guess I'm just too simple.

Sorry ... didn't want to off track the thread. Talking to the Mayor and Chief would be excellent ideas - as would sending them copies of the applicable laws.

That in itself is the amusing part of it all. They want free love, free dope, free immigration any perversion one can think of, but they sure don't want citizens to have guns. I agree with you...it is real weird.

the "Kalifornia" business is highly exaggerated.

Just for the record, nothing about Kalifornia and it's socialists ways is exaggerated. I will admit that not all Kalifornians are socialists, but don't even think about trying to argue that Kalifornia is somehow moderate.

[OldSchool]

the "Kalifornia" business is highly exaggerated.

Not really. My home state was completely changed after two decades of California immigration (I won't post any more on that again, sorry for my earlier error).

[sjfcontrol]

the "Kalifornia" business is highly exaggerated.

Just for the record, nothing about Kalifornia and it's socialists ways is exaggerated. I will admit that not all Kalifornians are socialists, but don't even think about trying to argue that Kalifornia is somehow moderate.

NO -- that wasn't what I was trying to say. I was talking about the implication that all Californian's (and especially EX-Californians) want to eliminate guns (and other liberal policies). California as a whole has not been moderate for a number of years (decades?). However, at one time -- like when I move there in the late '70's -- there was a republican governor (I don't count Arnie as republican), and the influence of the LA hispanics/illegals and SF Fruits/Nuts were outweighed by the far more conservative rest of the state.

[03Lightningrocks]

the "Kalifornia" business is highly exaggerated.

Just for the record, nothing about Kalifornia and it's socialists ways is exaggerated. I will admit that not all Kalifornians are socialists, but don't even think about trying to argue that Kalifornia is somehow moderate.

NO -- that wasn't what I was trying to say. I was talking about the implication that all Californian's (and especially EX-Californians) want to eliminate guns (and other liberal policies). California as a whole has not been moderate for a number of years (decades?). However, at one time -- like when I move there in the late '70's -- there was a republican governor (I don't count Arnie as republican), and the influence of the LA hispanics/illegals and SF Fruits/Nuts were outweighed by the far more conservative rest of the state.

Sorry...never mind... I will stop now...getting off topic. I see what your saying.

[sjfcontrol]

the "Kalifornia" business is highly exaggerated.

Just for the record, nothing about Kalifornia and it's socialists ways is exaggerated. I will admit that not all Kalifornians are socialists, but don't even think about trying to argue that Kalifornia is somehow moderate.

NO -- that wasn't what I was trying to say. I was talking about the implication that all Californian's (and especially EX-Californians) want to eliminate guns (and other liberal policies). California as a whole has not been moderate for a number of years (decades?). However, at one time -- like when I move there in the late '70's -- there was a republican governor (I don't count Arnie as republican), and the influence of the LA hispanics/illegals and SF Fruits/Nuts were outweighed by the far more conservative rest of the state.

While I agree that not ALL are wanting to bring their socialist ways to areas they move, many of them do. I have met and known many Kalifornians and in just about every case, they believed their mission in life was to educate poor dumb Texans. They came off as if they had special twinkling dust that made them more enlightned than the rest of us. Now you may be different, but if you ever made this comment, "In Kalifornia, We did it this way". You may not.

IF I ever made a statement like that, it was to point out how much BETTER it is in Texas. As in "Well, in Kalifornia we had INCOME TAX!"

And I know MANY who, like myself, moved out of Kali to get away from the increasingly socialist tendencies.

[03Lightningrocks]

And I know MANY who, like myself, moved out to Kali to get away from the increasingly socialist tendencies.

My brother had to live there for two years as a job assignment. He often kids around about how he had to move back to Texas before he committed murder....LOL. Some of the stories he tells of the "political correctness" are just frustrating to hear. The labor laws he was having to supervise under made getting the project done near impossible. I will agree that there are folks who moved out of that country to seek freedom and we welcome these Kalifornians with open arms.

OK...now I will stop...for real this time.

[sjfcontrol]

Oh there IS one thing that is more moderate in (Southern) Kalifornia than in Texas!!!
And always will be!




The Weather!!

[sjfcontrol]

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Some of the stories he tells of the "political correctness" are just frustrating to hear. The labor laws he was having to supervise under made getting the project done near impossible.

[PappaGun]

The waiting room in the Government building has a one way mirror with a security guard behind it. I noticed it when I went back to photograph the non 30.06 on the doors. My CHG was at 4 O'clock when it was discovered. I was sitting in a fold out chair and the Security guard had plenty of time to stare at my back where the CHG may have been printing. The rat theory has come up here before but I highly doubt it.

I'm curious, if they had seen it while you were there, why they would wait until you left to confront you about it.

I was wondering the same thing.
If an officer really thought there was a danger presented in any given situation, I have always assumed they would handle it immediately to prevent any escalation.
In this case, he allowed to get in a vehicle which itself could have been used as a weapon or could have been loaded with weapons or alot of dangerous things that he and/or others then would have been subjected to.
I believe he handled this situation poorly from the begining.
It sems to me he is in need of some retraining.

[03Lightningrocks]

The waiting room in the Government building has a one way mirror with a security guard behind it. I noticed it when I went back to photograph the non 30.06 on the doors. My CHG was at 4 O'clock when it was discovered. I was sitting in a fold out chair and the Security guard had plenty of time to stare at my back where the CHG may have been printing. The rat theory has come up here before but I highly doubt it.

I'm curious, if they had seen it while you were there, why they would wait until you left to confront you about it.

I was wondering the same thing.
If an officer really thought there was a danger presented in any given situation, I have always assumed they would handle it immediately to prevent any escalation.
In this case, he allowed to get in a vehicle which itself could have been used as a weapon or could have been loaded with weapons or alot of dangerous things that he and/or others then would have been subjected to.
I believe he handled this situation poorly from the begining.
It sems to me he is in need of some retraining.

They would want to wait until he was out of the building to minimize the risk of innocent bystanders getting shot. For what ever reason, they severely over reacted. They probably had him pegged as a mass shooter. He is probably lucky he didn't put his hand near the weapon. Barney Fife may have shot him from the other side of that mirror.

[PappaGun]

The waiting room in the Government building has a one way mirror with a security guard behind it. I noticed it when I went back to photograph the non 30.06 on the doors. My CHG was at 4 O'clock when it was discovered. I was sitting in a fold out chair and the Security guard had plenty of time to stare at my back where the CHG may have been printing. The rat theory has come up here before but I highly doubt it.

I'm curious, if they had seen it while you were there, why they would wait until you left to confront you about it.

I was wondering the same thing.
If an officer really thought there was a danger presented in any given situation, I have always assumed they would handle it immediately to prevent any escalation.
In this case, he allowed to get in a vehicle which itself could have been used as a weapon or could have been loaded with weapons or alot of dangerous things that he and/or others then would have been subjected to.
I believe he handled this situation poorly from the begining.
It sems to me he is in need of some retraining.

They would want to wait until he was out of the building to minimize the risk of innocent bystanders getting shot. For what ever reason, they severely over reacted. They probably had him pegged as a mass shooter. He is probably lucky he didn't put his hand near the weapon. Barney Fife may have shot him from the other side of that mirror.

OK.

So I guess "Security Guard" says it all.

[03Lightningrocks]

The waiting room in the Government building has a one way mirror with a security guard behind it. I noticed it when I went back to photograph the non 30.06 on the doors. My CHG was at 4 O'clock when it was discovered. I was sitting in a fold out chair and the Security guard had plenty of time to stare at my back where the CHG may have been printing. The rat theory has come up here before but I highly doubt it.

I'm curious, if they had seen it while you were there, why they would wait until you left to confront you about it.

I was wondering the same thing.
If an officer really thought there was a danger presented in any given situation, I have always assumed they would handle it immediately to prevent any escalation.
In this case, he allowed to get in a vehicle which itself could have been used as a weapon or could have been loaded with weapons or alot of dangerous things that he and/or others then would have been subjected to.
I believe he handled this situation poorly from the begining.
It sems to me he is in need of some retraining.

They would want to wait until he was out of the building to minimize the risk of innocent bystanders getting shot. For what ever reason, they severely over reacted. They probably had him pegged as a mass shooter. He is probably lucky he didn't put his hand near the weapon. Barney Fife may have shot him from the other side of that mirror.

OK.

So I guess "Security Guard" says it all.

Of coarse we may never know for sure why they waited. Maybe it was just coincidence that the BG got out of there before the posse showed up, leaving them with no option other than a street take down. Maybe they were filming for an episode of cops and writing tickets to college students didn't present enough action. After reading about the swift reaction from these key stone cops, I feel much safer walking the streets of Round Rock.