Heartland Mall, Early Texas

[03Lightningrocks]

I will TRY to clear this once again. YES, I know the law on this...this isn't a typical case of a store improperly posting. I have snickered at many improper postings as I kept walking...This is a case where the store AND the LEO's who provide the security were claiming it to be a "no gun zone." With that in mind, I did not wish to risk an LEO asking "can I see in your pouch" (pocket, fanny pack, etc). YES, I could get off...but not until I have taken a ride and hired a lawyer since even the LEO's were misinformed. Had a 30.06 gone up instead, I am convinced that in this small town there would have been such an outcry they would have been forced to remove it. As I have said before, if I had the attitude of letting people get away with wrong thoughts and actions, I should never have become a gospel preacher. I decided to risk that educating them would help them act properly...and it did. I only jumped back in to show the positive outcome educating folks could have and I have caught rain on this.
Peace out everyone, ok??

Just recently moved to Brownwood, TX. Waaaaaaaay into the mall is a "Mall Etiquette" sign, that way down the list states "no weapons, legal or illegal." I realize that it is not the proper sign nor properly displayed, but still doesn't mean one could not get hassled about it, be asked to leave or even have cops called on them. I called the Property Manager's office of the mall and was informed that it is intended to include CHL holders. I informed her that there must be a properly displayed 30.06 sign. She said that this was to keep store owners and patrons from being nervous if they thought someone might have one. Of course if they thought I did, then it wasn't concealed properly. Of course signs like this ONLY affect the good guys as bad guys could care less about the signs. Now that they have informed me that I cannot carry, do I continue to ignore the sign or vote with my feet? BTW, the mall is having most of their stores to move to the currently closed strip mall anyway soon.
Thanks
Wayne

Wayne,

If you know what the law is, why would you try to put yourself against it? I am just confused here.

I am glad it has turned out the way it has, but it could have as easily gone the other way.

Not for nothing, but you did not educate anyone. The cop that needed educated is still as dumb as a stump and running around risking a HUGE law suite for false arrest. It was one ignorant cop. I truly hope, for the safety of the community you live in, that not all the cops in your town went to the Barney Fife "depaty sherraf" academy.

I am glad you came out lucky on this one but everything you did was completely pointless. Barney would not have arrested anybody for carrying in that mall. He was simply running his large stupid mouth in an effort to impress the citizen who had put him on the Pedestal for a moment or two.

But again...I am glad this one did not back fire on you, Sooner or later everyone will hit the loaded chamber if they play Russian roulette enough times.

[wgoforth]

I will TRY to clear this once again. YES, I know the law on this...this isn't a typical case of a store improperly posting. I have snickered at many improper postings as I kept walking...This is a case where the store AND the LEO's who provide the security were claiming it to be a "no gun zone." With that in mind, I did not wish to risk an LEO asking "can I see in your pouch" (pocket, fanny pack, etc). YES, I could get off...but not until I have taken a ride and hired a lawyer since even the LEO's were misinformed. Had a 30.06 gone up instead, I am convinced that in this small town there would have been such an outcry they would have been forced to remove it. As I have said before, if I had the attitude of letting people get away with wrong thoughts and actions, I should never have become a gospel preacher. I decided to risk that educating them would help them act properly...and it did. I only jumped back in to show the positive outcome educating folks could have and I have caught rain on this.
Peace out everyone, ok??

Just recently moved to Brownwood, TX. Waaaaaaaay into the mall is a "Mall Etiquette" sign, that way down the list states "no weapons, legal or illegal." I realize that it is not the proper sign nor properly displayed, but still doesn't mean one could not get hassled about it, be asked to leave or even have cops called on them. I called the Property Manager's office of the mall and was informed that it is intended to include CHL holders. I informed her that there must be a properly displayed 30.06 sign. She said that this was to keep store owners and patrons from being nervous if they thought someone might have one. Of course if they thought I did, then it wasn't concealed properly. Of course signs like this ONLY affect the good guys as bad guys could care less about the signs. Now that they have informed me that I cannot carry, do I continue to ignore the sign or vote with my feet? BTW, the mall is having most of their stores to move to the currently closed strip mall anyway soon.
Thanks
Wayne

Wayne,

If you know what the law is, why would you try to put yourself against it? I am just confused here.

I am glad it has turned out the way it has, but it could have as easily gone the other way.

Not for nothing, but you did not educate anyone. The cop that needed educated is still as dumb as a stump and running around risking a HUGE law suite for false arrest. It was one ignorant cop. I truly hope, for the safety of the community you live in, that not all the cops in your town went to the Barney Fife "depaty sherraf" academy.

I am glad you came out lucky on this one but everything you did was completely pointless. Barney would not have arrested anybody for carrying in that mall. He was simply running his large stupid mouth in an effort to impress the citizen who had put him on the Pedestal for a moment or two.

But again...I am glad this one did not back fire on you, Sooner or later everyone will hit the loaded chamber if they play Russian roulette enough times.

I thought God was the only omniscient one able to read men's hearts brother! Are you so SURE that no one got an education?? Your 100% sure that the mall manager and property owner did not know any of the things I pointed out to them concerning chl's, sign postings, etc ?? I believe they did learn some facts concerning chl of which they were not aware. I am of the opinion that when given proper information, many (not all or even most) people will change. Again, if I did not believe so, I would not have been preaching the Word for the past 30 years now would I? BTW, the "dumb cop" is around a 50 year old Texas State Trooper.
I feel I have been very patient in answering the same questions over and over here, and considering how much hammering I have received here for doing what I have felt best. please note I never asked anyone's permission nor for any to agree on my actions. It was my prerogative to do so. Now, this matter, for my part is closed. This has clearly become a case of "no good deed will go unpunished."
I don't mean to be unkind here, but I really don't know how many ways or times to express that this needs to end. Moderators, will you please lock this discussion?

once again, peace out
Wayne

[03Lightningrocks]

I will TRY to clear this once again. YES, I know the law on this...this isn't a typical case of a store improperly posting. I have snickered at many improper postings as I kept walking...This is a case where the store AND the LEO's who provide the security were claiming it to be a "no gun zone." With that in mind, I did not wish to risk an LEO asking "can I see in your pouch" (pocket, fanny pack, etc). YES, I could get off...but not until I have taken a ride and hired a lawyer since even the LEO's were misinformed. Had a 30.06 gone up instead, I am convinced that in this small town there would have been such an outcry they would have been forced to remove it. As I have said before, if I had the attitude of letting people get away with wrong thoughts and actions, I should never have become a gospel preacher. I decided to risk that educating them would help them act properly...and it did. I only jumped back in to show the positive outcome educating folks could have and I have caught rain on this.
Peace out everyone, ok??

Just recently moved to Brownwood, TX. Waaaaaaaay into the mall is a "Mall Etiquette" sign, that way down the list states "no weapons, legal or illegal." I realize that it is not the proper sign nor properly displayed, but still doesn't mean one could not get hassled about it, be asked to leave or even have cops called on them. I called the Property Manager's office of the mall and was informed that it is intended to include CHL holders. I informed her that there must be a properly displayed 30.06 sign. She said that this was to keep store owners and patrons from being nervous if they thought someone might have one. Of course if they thought I did, then it wasn't concealed properly. Of course signs like this ONLY affect the good guys as bad guys could care less about the signs. Now that they have informed me that I cannot carry, do I continue to ignore the sign or vote with my feet? BTW, the mall is having most of their stores to move to the currently closed strip mall anyway soon.
Thanks
Wayne

Wayne,

If you know what the law is, why would you try to put yourself against it? I am just confused here.

I am glad it has turned out the way it has, but it could have as easily gone the other way.

Not for nothing, but you did not educate anyone. The cop that needed educated is still as dumb as a stump and running around risking a HUGE law suite for false arrest. It was one ignorant cop. I truly hope, for the safety of the community you live in, that not all the cops in your town went to the Barney Fife "depaty sherraf" academy.

I am glad you came out lucky on this one but everything you did was completely pointless. Barney would not have arrested anybody for carrying in that mall. He was simply running his large stupid mouth in an effort to impress the citizen who had put him on the Pedestal for a moment or two.

But again...I am glad this one did not back fire on you, Sooner or later everyone will hit the loaded chamber if they play Russian roulette enough times.

I thought God was the only omniscient one able to read men's hearts brother! Are you so SURE that no one got an education?? Your 100% sure that the mall manager and property owner did not know any of the things I pointed out to them concerning chl's, sign postings, etc ?? I believe they did learn some facts concerning chl of which they were not aware. I am of the opinion that when given proper information, many (not all or even most) people will change. Again, if I did not believe so, I would not have been preaching the Word for the past 30 years now would I? BTW, the "dumb cop" is around a 50 year old Texas State Trooper.
I feel I have been very patient in answering the same questions over and over here, and considering how much hammering I have received here for doing what I have felt best. please note I never asked anyone's permission nor for any to agree on my actions. It was my prerogative to do so. Now, this matter, for my part is closed. This has clearly become a case of "no good deed will go unpunished."
I don't mean to be unkind here, but I really don't know how many ways or times to express that this needs to end. Moderators, will you please lock this discussion?

once again, peace out
Wayne

I don't take anything in your post as unkind. I do think you miss the point entirely. God or no god...heart or no heart. I don't have to read anyone's heart to know the law. The law is the law my man. It is no more legal to carry in that mall now than it was before. What was risked is the RKBA in that mall entirely. The risk is not worth the gain...which is nothing in this case. Barney Fife still needs to know the law and from what I read here, he does not.

The example you mention above about a cop asking randomly to see what is in your pouch just about blows me out of the saddle. Short of the local gang banger thugs catching some much deserved grief from Johnny law, I can't in my wildest imagination picture any officer of the law randomly picking a citizen to violate, simply because they are wearing a fanny pack. It is similar to a person not leaving the house because they are worried about being struck by lightning. In my experience, I just don't ever see it happening.

[bdickens]

....I did not wish to risk an LEO asking "can I see in your pouch" (pocket, fanny pack, etc). ....

My answer for that is "no."

[dicion]

....I did not wish to risk an LEO asking "can I see in your pouch" (pocket, fanny pack, etc). ....

My answer for that is "no."

Mine would be "whats your reasonable suspicion or probable cause?"