mrvmax wrote:They even state that they can do random searches in the parking lot. I keep my handgun in a lockbox where you cannot tell what is in it, if they ever check I do not plan on opening it. I will conveniently "forget" the key at home that day.
Tell them it's either medical records or religious implements; either way, opening it would be giving them information they're not supposed to have. If in doubt, tell them it's your wife's medical records.
That is a GREAT idea.
Can one of the law dogs comment on how effective this could really be?
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Tell them it's either medical records or religious implements; either way, opening it would be giving them information they're not supposed to have. If in doubt, tell them it's your wife's medical records.
That is a GREAT idea.
Can one of the law dogs comment on how effective this could really be?
I don't know how effective it would be in court, but remember that these searches usually tend to be carried out by some middle manager with the security guard in tow. Neither is likely to want to push their luck, and at least some security guards will back you whether they actually know or not.
For that matter, you could even use a really ornate lockbox and say that it's some very sacred religious object that you cannot show to anyone not of the faith. Have your voice recorder going for when they make the mistake of asking what faith.
LOL...I love all the extravagant schemes, but in real life, not any of this is going to happen. Maybe some perspective is in order. This would be a grocery store job???? There are many...and I mean many jobs out there that would be an increase in both pay and status. Just make a decision on whether or not you are willing to risk getting fired, and make your choice based on that. Like I said, all this silliness and fantasizing about setting up your employer is fun...but doesn't apply in real life.
Heck...they may decide to fire you tomorrow or the next day anyway. One never knows. THERE IS A REASON THEY CALL IT CONCEALED CARRY. This means nobody knows you have it. If the need for them to know you have it arises, you won't be worrying about your job, you will be concerned about staying alive.
03Lightningrocks wrote:Heck...they may decide to fire you tomorrow or the next day anyway. One never knows. THERE IS A REASON THEY CALL IT CONCEALED CARRY. This means nobody knows you have it. If the need for them to know you have it arises, you won't be worrying about your job, you will be concerned about staying alive.
I agree wholeheartedly.
I carry until I park my car in my employer's parking lot (which is prohibited by the employer). I lock my weapon in the car. When I return at the end of the day, I retrieve it and conceal it before driving off.
I don't discuss the subject with my employer's and I will have some means of defending myself in the covered parking garage should the need arise. At that point, I will start worrying about what my employer thinks.
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would be a grocery store job???? There are many...and I mean many jobs out there that would be an increase in both pay and status.
You have no way of knowing how well his job pays nor what sort of status he enjoys because of it. He specifically stated that he works for the grocer but not in any of the stores. For all you know he is a VP making pretty good money.
No I am not a VP and I don't work in the stores, but I make a good living. My main problem is not with their "on the clock" policy. My issue is that according to our "off the clock" policy, if I go grocery shopping at one of our stores technically I cant carry or leave it in the car. However my Wife, who is not an employee would be allowed to carry. The policy has been in place since Texas passed the CHL law. I would like to elegantly suggest they revisit the policy, but I am not sure it will get me anywhere and I am worried I would then be labeled some kind of problem employee who needs to find another job.
Whats the status on this parking lot bill? Last time I looked it did not look like it was going anywhere. Maybe if it passed, this whole discussion would be unnecessary. Anyway thanks for all the feedback.
would be a grocery store job???? There are many...and I mean many jobs out there that would be an increase in both pay and status.
You have no way of knowing how well his job pays nor what sort of status he enjoys because of it. He specifically stated that he works for the grocer but not in any of the stores. For all you know he is a VP making pretty good money.
You have no way of knowing what I know or don't know. Relax...grab a chair..take it easy. I will give ya hint at how I knew he wasn't the VP. The VP wouldn't be online asking about sending a letter to the corporate offices.
bkjunk wrote:No I am not a VP and I don't work in the stores, but I make a good living. My main problem is not with their "on the clock" policy. My issue is that according to our "off the clock" policy, if I go grocery shopping at one of our stores technically I cant carry or leave it in the car. However my Wife, who is not an employee would be allowed to carry. The policy has been in place since Texas passed the CHL law. I would like to elegantly suggest they revisit the policy, but I am not sure it will get me anywhere and I am worried I would then be labeled some kind of problem employee who needs to find another job.
Whats the status on this parking lot bill? Last time I looked it did not look like it was going anywhere. Maybe if it passed, this whole discussion would be unnecessary. Anyway thanks for all the feedback.
Like I said above, just carry concealed. How in the world are they going to know your carrying? What's more, how are any employees working at any of the stores going to know your carrying while shopping with your wife and kids. I'm not advocating carrying while you are actually on the clock, so to speak. But I know I would. Unless your crossing a metal detector or doing a job that may create a situation where the gun may fall out, there is almost no concievable way of them knowing. Now if you send a letter to them concerning your desires, I think you will draw attention and force them to terminate you. Heck, maybe the rule is in place to protect them from liability in case you bust a cap in a customer. Many company policies are in place for this very reason. I am thinking it is comparable to don't ask-don't tell.
In Texas, where employers seem to have the right to do just about anything they wish to their employees, the best policy seems to be strict privacy. Someone would have to be trustworhty in the extreme in order for them to know whether I even OWN firearms or not. I'm not saying this is the way things SHOULD be, I'm saying that it's a good (and realistic) policy to just keep things to yourself.
Some one will naturally say that I should be proud of my 2nd ammendment rights and try to introduce everyone to the joys of shooting and firearms ownership. I think that's great.....if you're independently wealthy or can find a comparable job whenever you want.
mrvmax wrote:They even state that they can do random searches in the parking lot. I keep my handgun in a lockbox where you cannot tell what is in it, if they ever check I do not plan on opening it. I will conveniently "forget" the key at home that day.
Tell them it's either medical records or religious implements; either way, opening it would be giving them information they're not supposed to have. If in doubt, tell them it's your wife's medical records.
Frost wrote:Some insane companies are bringing in dogs that can smell gunpowder.
Some sane employees might be sprinkling Bullseye on every car in the lot.
bkjunk wrote:No I am not a VP and I don't work in the stores, but I make a good living. My main problem is not with their "on the clock" policy. My issue is that according to our "off the clock" policy, if I go grocery shopping at one of our stores technically I cant carry or leave it in the car. However my Wife, who is not an employee would be allowed to carry. The policy has been in place since Texas passed the CHL law. I would like to elegantly suggest they revisit the policy, but I am not sure it will get me anywhere and I am worried I would then be labeled some kind of problem employee who needs to find another job.
Whats the status on this parking lot bill? Last time I looked it did not look like it was going anywhere. Maybe if it passed, this whole discussion would be unnecessary. Anyway thanks for all the feedback.
Personally, I think the OP's employer is full of it. They don't own him. When he is not on the clock, he isn't beholden to them. When he shops in one of their stores, he is a customer not an indentured servant.
bdickens wrote:Personally, I think the OP's employer is full of it. They don't own him. When he is not on the clock, he isn't beholden to them. When he shops in one of their stores, he is a customer not an indentured servant.
Most of the retail places I've worked had a good policy; if you use an employee discount, you're an employee; if you pay full price, you're treated exactly like any other customer. It was originally intended to keep the department managers from complaining about employees coming in to shop dressed *way* down, but applied to all policies eventually.
Get the name of the person that could possibly address the issue. Have a friend call that person and use *67 feature to block his number. Have them ask as if they were an employee to see what the policy might be for off duty carry. They should not have a clue who is calling and if they do who cares? Heck, PM me the number and I'll call them.
Another option, you shop at Wal-Mart and wife can still go to HEB! Some HEB parking lots can be pretty scary as well as Wal-Mart.
Uh... write the letter anonymously? You won't get a direct answer, but if you sway them and they change policy, you'll find out. And if you don't and they don't, you're not putting yourself at risk.
Excellent advice
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