Got my CHL today and 3 hours later my first incident!

[hankintexas]

Ever wonder why police DO NOT fire warning shots? Once you comit to pulling the trigger, you better have a target! You described the mexicans in the pickup....what about the Lisence Plate? You obviuosly had enough time to idenfy them, the truck and the bolt cutters.

[DoubleJ]

[diatribe] This thread has made me violently ill. No, not the author's actions, albeit not the way I may have handled things, but the way not ONE SINGLE person has seen it fit to take this oppurtunity to welcome someone to the forum and suggest, politely and without mallice, some education and/or alternative solutions to the situation.
This author may not have done things the way you or I would have, but does this really necessitate heckling and berating commentary? I'm sure some of you truly believe that "yelling" is the right way to handle things. To this person, in the heat of the moment, he did what he thought was right. He had adrenaline going, and probably wasn't thinking clearly.
Just in shooting IDPA the few times I have, I've done some things that afterwards I thought to myself, "Gee, I wonder what part of the brain thought that was a good idea..."
Of course, not everyone here is an ambassador; Lord knows I'm not. but still. really?
anyone remember the guy who had his work trailor (welder et al) stolen out of his carport? Boy, that thread turned into a real pearl of wisdom. "Ah works with mah hands" and all that. this reminds me of that thread.
I guarantee TallInTheSaddle will not be back because of all this, and now he's going to miss out on actually learning A LOT.
I know I have learned quite a bit from the lively discussions here. not to mention a smokin' deal on a Kimber.
not everyone responds to criticism the same way, and written text can be very poor in conveying the proper context of one's words. I think most of us saw that in the thread about trying to carry without changing dress styles.
the point being I think a great oppurtunity for us all to learn, and to help someone else to do better in the future was missed.
and I fear that person may not get the chance to get that chance to see his errors and be able to correct them, if/when this situation arises a second time.
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[kitty]

[diatribe] This thread has made me violently ill. No, not the author's actions, albeit not the way I may have handled things, but the way not ONE SINGLE person has seen it fit to take this oppurtunity to welcome someone to the forum and suggest, politely and without mallice, some education and/or alternative solutions to the situation.
This author may not have done things the way you or I would have, but does this really necessitate heckling and berating commentary? I'm sure some of you truly believe that "yelling" is the right way to handle things. To this person, in the heat of the moment, he did what he thought was right. He had adrenaline going, and probably wasn't thinking clearly.
Just in shooting IDPA the few times I have, I've done some things that afterwards I thought to myself, "Gee, I wonder what part of the brain thought that was a good idea..."
Of course, not everyone here is an ambassador; Lord knows I'm not. but still. really?
anyone remember the guy who had his work trailor (welder et al) stolen out of his carport? Boy, that thread turned into a real pearl of wisdom. "Ah works with mah hands" and all that. this reminds me of that thread.
I guarantee TallInTheSaddle will not be back because of all this, and now he's going to miss out on actually learning A LOT.
I know I have learned quite a bit from the lively discussions here. not to mention a smokin' deal on a Kimber.
not everyone responds to criticism the same way, and written text can be very poor in conveying the proper context of one's words. I think most of us saw that in the thread about trying to carry without changing dress styles.
the point being I think a great oppurtunity for us all to learn, and to help someone else to do better in the future was missed.
and I fear that person may not get the chance to get that chance to see his errors and be able to correct them, if/when this situation arises a second time.
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[tbranch]

The love can be tough around here!



Tom

[Tallinthesaddle]

Let's see, my mother was beaten and robbed when she was 60 and about $40,000 in cash and goods were taken. No suspects ever found. My dad had two trucks stolen and drove into a playa lake and his truck shop burglarized twice. No suspects found. I have had four spare tires stolen from my truck and car at separate times, years ago I had a set of custom wheels and tires stolen. No suspects found. Had a cotton stripper stolen and no suspects.

You're right. It's time to move on to another forum.

[Opie]

Your CHL, IMHO had little or nothing to do with you protecting your assets on your property (however right or wrong you may have done it). Someone without a CHL still has the right to defend their property and themselves at their residence. Correct?

[Tallinthesaddle]

Separate from this incident, I honestly do not believe that enough is taught in CHL class about the use of deadly force.
Incidents and senario's should be discussed along with their consequences.
Thanks to everyone for their comments.

[AJSully421]

Tallinthesaddle:

I guess you can say us "senior members" get so used to offering advice to each other, we don't try to sugar coat it first

Eh, I'm guilty of that one... sorry, i'll do better.

[bridge]

As a new "junior" member of this forum, I'm a little shocked at the level of criticism a person receives for protecting his personal property on his land...whilst he and his family are home. While I agree we're not in the Wild West anymore, how far have we come when a thief has rights during the act of committing a crime? I'm no lawyer, but I really don't want anyone who is getting ready to commit a crime to think that their actions won't have serious, potentially deadly consequences.

For what it's worth, (judging from all the other post, it won't be worth much) if I were to turn to a life of crime, in Texas, I would expect to be staring down the muzzle of some sort of deadly weapon...and believe that the individual on the other end of it WILL put it to use. It's for that reason that the juice would never be worth the squeeze when it comes to stealing.

While I haven't taking the CHL class yet, I'm curious as to the epiphany I will have that would make me stand by and watch someone steal from me out of my own driveway.

[boomerang]

[diatribe] This thread has made me violently ill. No, not the author's actions, albeit not the way I may have handled things, but the way not ONE SINGLE person has seen it fit to take this oppurtunity to welcome someone to the forum and suggest, politely and without mallice, some education and/or alternative solutions to the situation.

Instead of posting a diatribe, maybe you should lead by example.

[WildBill]

While I haven't taking the CHL class yet, I'm curious as to the epiphany I will have that would make me stand by and watch someone steal from me out of my own driveway.

The proper time for your epiphany is long before you pick up your gun, not afterwards.
Welcome to the forum Bridge.

[AJSully421]

As a new "junior" member of this forum, I'm a little shocked at the level of criticism a person receives for protecting his personal property on his land...whilst he and his family are home.

The problem is that the perps were fleeing, posing no threat to him, his family, or his property, and thus it was not justified by law for him to discharge a firearm at or in the direction of those guys.

Unfortunately, there are laws that have the effect of protecting the criminals... If someone is stealing your garden hose in broad daylight, you cannot walk outside and pop him... if it is at night, then you are justified by law if you think that it is the only way to get that hose back. This is the law, like it or not. If you act outside the law, you could end up in jail, and how safe are you from criminals in there?

[bridge]

If you act outside the law, you could end up in jail, and how safe are you from criminals in there?

Touche...

[bryang]

Welcome to the forum, Tallinthesaddle, I do not believe anyone was attacking you maliciously. I know some of the post were a little rough, but this is a wonderful forum, especially for those new to CHL, and for anyone wanting to learn and grow in knowledge. There are some very good folks here and they are willing to help us, that are just beginning our CHL walk, to learn from their experience.

Also welcome, bridge, we are very glad to have you both with us.

-geo