Another reason to shoot criminals

[boomerang]

Medellin was convicted and sentenced to die for the 1993 rape and murder of two Houston girls. He was scheduled to face Divine judgment tonight, more than fifteen years after Elizabeth Peña and Jennifer Ertman were raped and murdered. There's no new evidence and no new facts, but the Supreme Court put the execution on hold for political reasons.

This is another example of how the "justice system" denies justice to victims and their families, and why shooting criminals in the act is better for society.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5924476.html

[Venus Pax]

"Medellin's case created international controversy when the United Nations' world court determined Texas had violated the killer's rights under the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations by denying him access to the Mexican consulate."

Does the United Nations' world court have anything to say regarding the violations of the rights of those two teen girls?

[jimlongley]

"Medellin's case created international controversy when the United Nations' world court determined Texas had violated the killer's rights under the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations by denying him access to the Mexican consulate."

Does the United Nations' world court have anything to say regarding the violations of the rights of those two teen girls?

My suggestion, in several letters to the media, was to let him have his consular access, and then go ahead and "get 'er done" anyway.

Looks like they might have taken me up on part of the suggestion - that scum was a waste of air.

[Greybeard]

The Supremes rule to let it happen. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080806/ts ... eexecution

[petroleumag07]

Pig is dead. Hope it was painful, although I know it was much much easier than what those girls went through.

[Mike from Texas]

Sniff....brings a tear to my eye.

GOD bless Texas! I love this state!

[Mr.Scott]

Makes me proud to be a Texan, where we know our rights and don't back down to bullies. The World Court knows it can't force a state into action because of the way our government is. Since states are given some sovereign rights, they are not bound by treaties the Federal Government signs as that is a different governmental entity.

[Stupid]

Many of you didn't consider this whole thing is more than about killing a murderer. Yes, he's convicted and sentenced to die; we are not arguing on this issue, and it's not about that.

Remember there's often a case that police find a whole bunch of drug, but unfortunately it's an illegal search and the fact of finding the dough is not admissible to the court, hence the drug dealer walks?

On one hand, when the state violates the person's right - by not following the proper legal procedure, is it still OK to proceed?
On the other hand, is it OK that other countries return such favor when a American is put into such a situation in a foreign country? Even after the ICJ rules that they must concur with the international law?

[Elvis]

It is my understanding that he came to Texas when he was 3 and has been living in our State ever since. Seems like he lost his right to claim the consulate issue long ago.

[jimlongley]

Many of you didn't consider this whole thing is more than about killing a murderer. Yes, he's convicted and sentenced to die; we are not arguing on this issue, and it's not about that.

Remember there's often a case that police find a whole bunch of drug, but unfortunately it's an illegal search and the fact of finding the dough is not admissible to the court, hence the drug dealer walks?

On one hand, when the state violates the person's right - by not following the proper legal procedure, is it still OK to proceed?
On the other hand, is it OK that other countries return such favor when a American is put into such a situation in a foreign country? Even after the ICJ rules that they must concur with the international law?

As pointed out above, the ICJ does not have jurisdiction directly over Texas, they only have a treaty with the US, and all the US can do is what it did, attempt to influence Texas. The state did not violate any legal procedure, that would only occur if the treaty signatory did not allow consular access, and the US never tried to inject itself into the process until recently.

The thinly veiled threats issuing from the State Department, the UN, and various other entities, that US citizens arrested abroad will suffer repraisals in response denies the fact that US citizens have already been suffering such indignities for decades, and is nothing more than an attempt at extortion.

This is indeed about something more than simply putting a confessed and unrepentant rapist and murderer to death, it's also about whether the world gets to say how we conduct our business in our state. Imagine if France, Guatemala, or even Mexico were approached by the World Court due to urging from the US on a similar issue - they would laughingly suggest that the World Court peddle their goods elsewhere, and that would be no change from what has always transpired.

If we let them get away with this stuff, the next thing they will want is for us to outlaw guns . . . Oops, forgot, they already are insisting on that.

Maybe it's time to consider reimplementing the Monroe Doctrine.

[Elvis]

Nice Post Sir.

[Venus Pax]

The thinly veiled threats issuing from the State Department, the UN, and various other entities, that US citizens arrested abroad will suffer repraisals in response denies the fact that US citizens have already been suffering such indignities for decades, and is nothing more than an attempt at extortion.

Perfectly stated.

[Stupid]

You are telling me that treaty signed by US (Federal) has no effect on Texas. How interesting. What's the point of signing any thing with USA who will not honor it anyway?

I thought we were more civil and more developed. Not only have we been practically slapping everybody around the world and ordering them to do whatever we want, but also we want to drag ourselves "down" to the level of "developing" countries - oh since they tell the world court to take a hike, we will just do the same thing or worse.

Come on. Is this how a society should be built? Is this not double standard?

The Monroe Doctrine was merely to tell the European to take a hike so that USA could colonize every country in America (North and South). Again, very "civilized."

As pointed out above, the ICJ does not have jurisdiction directly over Texas, they only have a treaty with the US, and all the US can do is what it did, attempt to influence Texas. The state did not violate any legal procedure, that would only occur if the treaty signatory did not allow consular access, and the US never tried to inject itself into the process until recently.

The thinly veiled threats issuing from the State Department, the UN, and various other entities, that US citizens arrested abroad will suffer repraisals in response denies the fact that US citizens have already been suffering such indignities for decades, and is nothing more than an attempt at extortion.

This is indeed about something more than simply putting a confessed and unrepentant rapist and murderer to death, it's also about whether the world gets to say how we conduct our business in our state. Imagine if France, Guatemala, or even Mexico were approached by the World Court due to urging from the US on a similar issue - they would laughingly suggest that the World Court peddle their goods elsewhere, and that would be no change from what has always transpired.

If we let them get away with this stuff, the next thing they will want is for us to outlaw guns . . . Oops, forgot, they already are insisting on that.

Maybe it's time to consider reimplementing the Monroe Doctrine.

[AJSully421]

like I need another reason to shoot a criminal...

I cannot imagine what those two precious young ladies went through at the hands of this guy and his vatos... part of me wishes we could execute these people in the manner in which they murdered their innocent vitims (think of the 2 mile dragging of james byrd jr.) I also toy with the idea of capital punishment for child molesters.

The beauty of the death penalty is the symmetry. I think that Ron White says it best... "If you come to Texas and kill someone, we will kill you back." although, simply killing someone just because you're bored won't get you the needle... there has to be some sort of "double felony" like killing to rob, killing to rape... The problem is that the scum get it millions of times better than their victims, a nice "go to sleep" I.V. shot, and then a lethal cocktail... I'm thinking more along the lines of injecting draino, or muriatic acid or something...

But really, I am very ok with the death penalty simply becuase it is reserved for those who have taken a life in a merciless way, and there are so many safeguards to make sure we have the right guy.