Post Office carry

[anygunanywhere]

I wish you all the luck in being the proverbial test case should something happen and you get caught. I don't think your interpretation of the rules is the correct one.

Thank you for the good luck wishes.

It is 18 USC Sec. 930. Here is a link to the code http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/ ... -000-.html

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

Carrying under my CHL is a lawful purpose.

You do as you wish. Like I said, the amount of time I spend in post offices is small. The odds that I will be this test case of which so many speak is miniscule. I am throwing down the old I would rather be judged by 12 card here.

I walk right on past non-compliant 30.06 signs too, and there are those who scream test case on this as if "intent" overrides the word "exactly" that is in the law.

Besides, since the post office is federal, and the 2nd amendment applies to the feds, it is infringement. Yes, I will take my chances, and I am not alone.

Anygunanywhere

[Purplehood]

During my brief stint as a "civilian" I worked for the US Postal Service. Federal Laws do apply.

[Right2Carry]

I wish you all the luck in being the proverbial test case should something happen and you get caught. I don't think your interpretation of the rules is the correct one.

Thank you for the good luck wishes.

It is 18 USC Sec. 930. Here is a link to the code http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/ ... -000-.html

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

Carrying under my CHL is a lawful purpose.

You do as you wish. Like I said, the amount of time I spend in post offices is small. The odds that I will be this test case of which so many speak is miniscule. I am throwing down the old I would rather be judged by 12 card here.

I walk right on past non-compliant 30.06 signs too, and there are those who scream test case on this as if "intent" overrides the word "exactly" that is in the law.

Besides, since the post office is federal, and the 2nd amendment applies to the feds, it is infringement. Yes, I will take my chances, and I am not alone.

Anygunanywhere

Part of being an ambassador to the CHL Community is obeying all the laws whether we agree with them or not.

[mr.72]

Part of being an ambassador to the CHL Community is obeying all the laws whether we agree with them or not.

Anygun's point seems to be that the law allows carrying a firearm for lawful purposes, so since a CHL constitutes a lawful purpose then it is legal.

I think the post office thing is a very gray area for a number of reasons.

[Right2Carry]

Part of being an ambassador to the CHL Community is obeying all the laws whether we agree with them or not.

Anygun's point seems to be that the law allows carrying a firearm for lawful purposes, so since a CHL constitutes a lawful purpose then it is legal.

I think the post office thing is a very gray area for a number of reasons.

I understand what his point is, but I don't think he is correct in his interpretation of the law. I have yet to see Charles or anyone else take that position on this issue.

[anygunanywhere]

Part of being an ambassador to the CHL Community is obeying all the laws whether we agree with them or not.

Your statement would actually mean something if the so called federal laws actually were clear and precise. When so many people are confused to the point of burying their heads in the sand for fear of being THE TEST CASE it actually makes no sense, to me, to read into a law where it clearly says that it if you are lawfully doing something it is okay.

If, in fact, you are not going to pack into the post office, and if, in fact, going there places you at risk, then I suggest you follow your instincts and not go there unarmed.

During my brief stint as a "civilian" I worked for the US Postal Service. Federal Laws do apply.

Paperhood, your statement proved nothing.

Anygunanywhere

[anygunanywhere]

Part of being an ambassador to the CHL Community is obeying all the laws whether we agree with them or not.

Anygun's point seems to be that the law allows carrying a firearm for lawful purposes, so since a CHL constitutes a lawful purpose then it is legal.

I think the post office thing is a very gray area for a number of reasons.

I understand what his point is, but I don't think he is correct in his interpretation of the law. I have yet to see Charles or anyone else take that position on this issue.

This has been discussed here before. If you ever frequent any of the other gun discussion boards like The High Road and The Firing Line there are ample discussion threads there as well. This thread is NOT the first time this has ever been discussed and I am not the only individual who holds this point of view.

I do not consider myself some kind of ambassador for the CHL community. I am a free man who actually believes that the second amendment means what it says, the second amendment applies to the federal government and ALL of the bazillions of administrations and other bureaucratic subdivisions, and where faced with obvious fuzzy laws I will take measures to protect myself.

If you consider yourself as an ambassador for the CHL community then by all means take the ambassadorship by the handle and git after it.

Anygunanywhere

[Right2Carry]

This has been discussed here before. If you ever frequent any of the other gun discussion boards like The High Road and The Firing Line there are ample discussion threads there as well. This thread is NOT the first time this has ever been discussed and I am not the only individual who holds this point of view.

I do not consider myself some kind of ambassador for the CHL community. I am a free man who actually believes that the second amendment means what it says, the second amendment applies to the federal government and ALL of the bazillions of administrations and other bureaucratic subdivisions, and where faced with obvious fuzzy laws I will take measures to protect myself.

If you consider yourself as an ambassador for the CHL community then by all means take the ambassadorship by the handle and git after it.

Anygunanywhere

You are correct that it has been discussed many times, and I think your opinion on the matter is in the minority. The decisions we make are the ones we have to live with and those decisions come with consequences. If you can live with those consequences more power to you.

[DoubleJ]

I think soemthing to keep in mind (you know, before this dead horse thread devolves and gets shut down) is the penalty for breaking this law, no wait, it ain't even a law, it's a Post Office rule.
anyone got a link to the code that says what happens if you break the rule. something like a $50 fine?

[anygunanywhere]

I think your opinion on the matter is in the minority.

This will not be the last time either.

The decisions we make are the ones we have to live with and those decisions come with consequences. If you can live with those consequences more power to you.

If you knew me personally then you would find this comment unnecessary. I believe I have stated this many times on this forum.

You can apply the same consequences of decisions to the times when you decide to go unarmed for the far fetched fear of being the dreaded evil test case.

Anygunanywhere

[ProudNativeTexican]

To throw a little twist into this thread "What if only the lobby is open to the boxs?" I know many time I stop by the Post Office at 200 or 300 in the morning on the way to work.

[DoubleJ]

To throw a little twist into this thread "What if on the lobby is open to the boxs?" I know many time I stop by the Post Office at 200 or 300 in the morning on the way to work.

I have no earthly clue what "on the lobby" means but according to the "rule," you can't even have yer gun in yer car.

[Right2Carry]

I think soemthing to keep in mind (you know, before this dead horse thread devolves and gets shut down) is the penalty for breaking this law, no wait, it ain't even a law, it's a Post Office rule.
anyone got a link to the code that says what happens if you break the rule. something like a $50 fine?

And a maximum of 30 days in jail.

[DoubleJ]

indeed. didn't have the specific code, so was hoping to see that. give a little perspective to the equation.

[amber]

Part of being an ambassador to the CHL Community is obeying all the laws whether we agree with them or not.

1. Ambassadors have diplomatic immunity.

2. The second amendment to the highest federal law says our right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.