Thinking of getting my CHL....questions

[Jesse1911]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B2rKj4eZgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuvmbeX8t0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDlodGEp_9o

WOW, I'd heard about Glocks not being the most reliable weapons, but never saw them in action till now... I didn't know Glocks had these many issues with feeding and extracting. This girl still kicked butt at the range. Good for her.

[HerbM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B2rKj4eZgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuvmbeX8t0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDlodGEp_9o

WOW, I'd heard about Glocks not being the most reliable weapons, but never saw them in action till now... I didn't know Glocks had these many issues with feeding and extracting. This girl still kicked butt at the range. Good for her.

Actually it is the other way around: Glocks are among the MOST reliable semi-automatic firearms you will ever find. Any individual firearm of any design or make might be as reliable as a Glock but few makes of semi-automatic handguns are as universally reliable.

If an emergency arose and you offered me a "box of old guns" to pick one for reliability, I cannot imagine reaching for anything other than a Glock, or a revolver, if it must work. That is, if you had to pick randomly among semis, and it HAD to work, pick the Glock.

[Excaliber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B2rKj4eZgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuvmbeX8t0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDlodGEp_9o

WOW, I'd heard about Glocks not being the most reliable weapons, but never saw them in action till now... I didn't know Glocks had these many issues with feeding and extracting. This girl still kicked butt at the range. Good for her.

From watching the circumstances in the video, I don't think you're looking at unreliable performance from a Glock pistol (which would be exceedingly rare - that's why a majority of the country's police carry them.)

Since the video is clearly taken in a training environment, it is highly likely that young McKenzie's pistol is loaded with magazines that have dummy rounds interspersed with live ones to help her learn to clear weapon malfunctions instinctively by making them happen unpredictably and often. Good training instructors often use this technique. The fact that the safety officer doesn't stop the scenario and inspect the weapon would tend to support this interpretation.

It also looks like McKenzie has got the hang of how to handle malfunctions whenever they pop up.

[BigDan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B2rKj4eZgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuvmbeX8t0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDlodGEp_9o

WOW, I'd heard about Glocks not being the most reliable weapons, but never saw them in action till now... I didn't know Glocks had these many issues with feeding and extracting. This girl still kicked butt at the range. Good for her.

From watching the circumstances in the video, I don't think you're looking at unreliable performance from a Glock pistol (which would be exceedingly rare - that's why a majority of the country's police carry them.)

Since the video is clearly taken in a training environment, it is highly likely that young McKenzie's pistol is loaded with magazines that have dummy rounds interspersed with live ones to help her learn to clear weapon malfunctions instinctively by making them happen unpredictably and often. Good training instructors often use this technique. The fact that the safety officer doesn't stop the scenario and inspect the weapon would tend to support this interpretation.

It also looks like McKenzie has got the hang of how to handle malfunctions whenever they pop up.

Yes, there were dummy rounds in some of the magazines in the drills. I had forgotten about those. That's not the Glock failing, it's a simulation of real-world scenario where your gun MAY fail. Failure to Feed, Failure to Fire, Piggy-back rounds, etc. They are taught to clear each of these if they happen. She does it with a cool heard and keeps on truckin'.

[longhorn_92]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B2rKj4eZgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuvmbeX8t0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDlodGEp_9o

WOW, I'd heard about Glocks not being the most reliable weapons, but never saw them in action till now... I didn't know Glocks had these many issues with feeding and extracting. This girl still kicked butt at the range. Good for her.

From watching the circumstances in the video, I don't think you're looking at unreliable performance from a Glock pistol (which would be exceedingly rare - that's why a majority of the country's police carry them.)

Since the video is clearly taken in a training environment, it is highly likely that young McKenzie's pistol is loaded with magazines that have dummy rounds interspersed with live ones to help her learn to clear weapon malfunctions instinctively by making them happen unpredictably and often. Good training instructors often use this technique. The fact that the safety officer doesn't stop the scenario and inspect the weapon would tend to support this interpretation.

It also looks like McKenzie has got the hang of how to handle malfunctions whenever they pop up.

Yes, there were dummy rounds in some of the magazines in the drills. I had forgotten about those. That's not the Glock failing, it's a simulation of real-world scenario where your gun MAY fail. Failure to Feed, Failure to Fire, Piggy-back rounds, etc. They are taught to clear each of these if they happen. She does it with a cool heard and keeps on truckin'.

I agree. Those were dummy rounds - for training purposes. She did an amazing job!

[Daltex1]

Get a Smith &Wesson 642 , it light and small, NO FUN AT THE RANGE THOUGH.

[Stupid]

I've found it's very difficult for women to carry. Their slim body and tight fit cloth provide little space to hide.

[Excaliber]

Get a Smith &Wesson 642 , it light and small, NO FUN AT THE RANGE THOUGH.

I've found it's very difficult for women to carry. Their slim body and tight fit cloth provide little space to hide.

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My 32 year old daughter, who fits the tall and slim description at about 5'9" and 110lb, favors the Kahr PM4043 which fits nicely into her wardrobe and carry preferences. For those who prefer a little less recoil, the 9MM version should fit the bill nicely.

But that's my daughter, and each woman is different. I suggest that each shooter start his or her selection by establishing caliber criteria based on solid information first, because is the variable that most influences fight stopping performance when all other factors are equal. Most knowledgeable folks who have seen a lot of shooting incidents up close and personal recommend .38, 9mm, .40S&W, or .45. The .380 is accepted with reservations by some, but to me it's an unnecessary compromise because there are high quality 9MM pistols that deliver more power behind the same size projectile in the same size guns.

Why are these rounds better than those seductive tiny cartridges that fit in little guns that just disappear in the front pocket of jeans? The simple answer is that larger caliber gives better fight stopping performance when you place bullets in the same places on a hostile adversary, and the differences in outcome between these and the .22 / .25 / .32 family of cartridges is in orders of magnitude.

No woman should allow her horizons to be limited by the hype that any of the .38 / 9MM / .40S&W / .45 rounds are "too powerful for a woman to handle". If someone uses that line, forward them the link to 11 year old McKenzie's videos posted elsewhere in this thread - and reevaluate his or her credibility as an information source. My kids were shooting all these calibers (and .357 magnums as well) before they were 10 and doing well with them, and they continue to do so today.

Everyone should absolutely try before you buy, , and try lots of different types of guns. Insist on trying anything that fits your hand, and don't let anyone narrow your choices for you. You can rent a lot of guns at a well equipped range for about $10 per session before you come anywhere near the cost of an untested buying decision you'd regret the first time you pull the trigger because it had some characteristic you couldn't know about (like the comment about recoil with the S&W 642) without shooting it. You'll end up either not using that gun, or selling it at a considerable loss and starting over. Renting guns and handing them back over the counter at the end of the hour has lots of advantages. You'll very quickly narrow down what you like to a few choices, and probably find the final decision a little hard because there will be more than one you could be happy with.

[catwoman]

I've found it's very difficult for women to carry. Their slim body and tight fit cloth provide little space to hide.

Okay, that's it, the diet is officially out the window!!! I knew I'd find a reason if I looked long enough!!

[LedJedi]

I've found it's very difficult for women to carry. Their slim body and tight fit cloth provide little space to hide.

Okay, that's it, the diet is officially out the window!!! I knew I'd find a reason if I looked long enough!!

Noooooooo! don't say that. I've been doing so good on atkins.....

[Venus Pax]

Welcome, Ashley.
I just noticed your post.

I hope you'll be able to make the forum day in September. IMO, it's worth the drive, even if you aren't in the Houston area.

There are all sorts of seminars and shooting clinics, and I learn so much each time I go. It's also a lot of fun.

I've had my CHL a little over two years now. I carry everywhere I legally can.

Even if you choose to carry a revolver, I would still learn to use a semi-auto and test with it. This way, you'll always have a choice. I don't think there is any difference in price.

With your CHL, the only limit to how many you can carry is how many you can conceal. If you want to carry two guns, rock on!

I carry either a .45 acp (1911) or a Bersa Thunder .380. It really depends on how well my wardrobe cooperates. I seldom carry in my purse, but when I do, it's usually at church. (I always transfer it to my body on the days they let the people from the prison visit.) I prefer to carry it on my waist, where I can get to it quickly.

I hope to meet you at the forum day!