Walking through 30.06 signs

[The Annoyed Man]

Is any of what I'm saying here making any sense to you?

Yes, but this is a COMPLETE opinion, compared to the other vague posts you made earlier. Here you happen to notice that the guy was printing and assumed he had a firearm. THen followed through from there. But how do you handle the other people that you HAVE NOT notice a firearm, due to exceptional concealment??

That's a good question. At least we're communicating now, and I apologize for getting crusty about it earlier. My answer is, "I can't, unless I make it previously known to the CHL holder." On the other hand, I don't want to post an ugly 30.06 sign next to my front door any more than anyone else does. I do care about the exterior of my home. So what other choice do I have but to ask everybody who comes in that I don't know personally if they are carrying? Somehow, it seems wrong to put the onus on the home owner than on the visitor, and that's what I just can't seem to get past.

Also, I apologize for hijacking the thread. I didn't mean to do that.

[Lucky45]

So what other choice do I have but to ask everybody who comes in that I don't know personally if they are carrying? Somehow, it seems wrong to put the onus on the home owner than on the visitor, and that's what I just can't seem to get past.

Also, I apologize for hijacking the thread. I didn't mean to do that.

You are fine, we are on topic so we are not hijacking. But now I think we are getting down to the crux of your issue. I think you wish that everyone would be forthcoming and reveal their status, so that you won't have to build up the courage to question everyone entering your home for your piece of mind. You mentioned that you will soon be recieving a CHL and one thing that most people do and should hold dear is their concealment status. So that is wishful thinking to hope that strangers either tell you they are carrying or Disarm and leave it in the vehicle when approaching your home.
So you need to either deal with it, or do like the lion and build up some courage.

[phddan]

A buisness either posts correctly, or I ignore it.
No moral qualms for me.

If a homeowner doesn't post or give a verbal, than I carry in. It is a two way street. You don't know me, and I don't know you, or your kin folk, or your pit bulls. In order for it to be disrespectful, I have to know that you don't want CHLers in your home.
No moral qualms for me.

Dan

[boomerang]

If I don't trust someone, I prefer not to let them into my home regardless of whether they have a gun, a knife, a black belt or BO.

[tbranch]

Is any of what I'm saying here making any sense to you?

Chris,

This makes more sense now that you've told me about the weapon printing.

Asking all visitors (or posting signs) if they are carrying doesn't make any sense because the BGs are not going to care about your notice. It's the same argument we use against gun-free zones.

Asking about the weapon after you notice the printing is dangerous if he's really a BG. The safest choice is to escape. If your family is not in the house, leave and call the police.

Tom

[Lucky45]

Asking about the weapon after you notice the printing is dangerous if he's really a BG. The safest choice is to escape. If your family is not in the house, leave and call the police.

Tom

Hey tbranch,
I think you need to brush up on some reading of TX Laws. A man's house is his castle. You should not have to escape from your Castle. There is no requirement to retreat from your home.

[boomerang]

Safe and Legal are two different things.

[tbranch]

I think you need to brush up on some reading of TX Laws. A man's house is his castle. You should not have to escape from your Castle. There is no requirement to retreat from your home.

Lucky,

I'm familiar with the law. Reread what I wrote. I said retreat was the "safest" course of action. I'm going to PM you some additional information.

Tom

[shootthesheet]

I never even considered that a CHL holder carrying into someone’s house or business would offend someone so much. Especially not another CHL holder. History has shown us that until very recently, most adults had a defensive weapon on them. That was guns and bladed weapons before that. In the past, it was expected and not taken as an insult at all. People thru thousands of years have armed themselves, openly and concealed, with no second thought for/from anyone else. That means criminals were armed then as they are today. The difference was, the innocents had the ability to protect themselves and even the property owner from an aggressor.

We cannot stop those with evil intent from getting close to us and in places where they can do harm. All we can do is outnumber them in being as well armed and ready to fulfill our moral obligation to protect innocent life. I welcome LEOs and CHLs into my home as honored guests. I want every person to be able to carry everywhere daily. That means good people outnumber the criminals. The people of the past understood that and took no insult to self-defense because it meant they were more protected themselves.

Our concern should focus on those who intend to do us harm and not how sensibilities might be upset. I understand those concerns more now and thank the O.P. for the thread. I just simply consider the concern for socially correct behavior, because a small minority might consider it insulting, nothing but a way to lose more rights and privileges.

[anygunanywhere]

I never even considered that a CHL holder carrying into someone’s house or business would offend someone so much. Especially not another CHL holder.

Great point.

I have never asked someone if they are packing. Gun toters are welcome in my home. You see, I accept the RKBA. If someone wants to carry their AR in and hang it on the hook, fine with me. I know my rights and responsibilities as a property owner, and if I invite someone in, I expect them to be part of the common defence. This is in-line with what I expect from a business that invites me in.

I do not expect to be treated any different than the way I treat others.

If my job was working in other people's homes, you bet your bippy I am packing. You invite me to your home, I am packing. If you ask me not to I want to know why you invited me.

I really do not understand why people are so offended by firearms. I guess it is because most sheep are brought up to be easily offended. Last time I read the constitution there was not anything in there that said you had the right to not be offended.

Anygun

[jimlongley]

A buisness either posts correctly, or I ignore it.
No moral qualms for me.

If a homeowner doesn't post or give a verbal, than I carry in. It is a two way street. You don't know me, and I don't know you, or your kin folk, or your pit bulls. In order for it to be disrespectful, I have to know that you don't want CHLers in your home.
No moral qualms for me.

Dan

No qualms here either, except - if the business owner/proprietor/manager is too stupid to get the sign right, all the way right, not just an effort, then they don't deserve the business that I can take away from them.

[The Annoyed Man]

I really do not understand why people are so offended by firearms. I guess it is because most sheep are brought up to be easily offended. Last time I read the constitution there was not anything in there that said you had the right to not be offended.

Anygun

Anygun,

1) I am not offended by firearms. I have a collection of my own, and I encourage you to build your own. I encourage all citizens to exercise their RKBA. Your comments in that regard, and those of others, if directed at me, are mis-directed. That was not my point at all. My point was simply that, if someone is inside the walls of my house, I have an inherent right to know if they are armed or not. Obviously, you and others disagree, but that still does not equate to my being offended by firearms, and arguments attempting to paint it that way are specious at best.

2) If your "sheep" comment was directed at me, then take it and put it where the sun doesn't shine. It is idiotic to think I am a "sheep" because I want to protect the inside of my home from potential wolves. It makes no sense at all. You want to call me names, now that is offensive. But since you don't think I ought to be offended by that, then I'm sure you won't be offended if I tell you "up yours, pal."

Of all of the people who posted in opposition to my points here, the only two who said anything constructive about my objection were Lucky45 and tbranch. I most appreciated Lucky45's comment when he said:

But now I think we are getting down to the crux of your issue. I think you wish that everyone would be forthcoming and reveal their status, so that you won't have to build up the courage to question everyone entering your home for your piece of mind. You mentioned that you will soon be recieving a CHL and one thing that most people do and should hold dear is their concealment status. So that is wishful thinking to hope that strangers either tell you they are carrying or Disarm and leave it in the vehicle when approaching your home.
So you need to either deal with it, or do like the lion and build up some courage.

He has addressed my concern with an answer that is neither lecturing or demeaning, and with an instructive reply which has given me food for thought. In the past, I have not been in the habit of carrying inside my own house, not having deemed it necessary. It is apparent from this discussion that, from now on, I will A) have to carry inside my own house if I am to have a reasonable expectation of being safe from those who would choose not to be forthcoming with me; and B) have to get in the habit of asking them outright if I really need to know.

Perhaps once I've actually got my CHL, I'll relax a bit about it. But one thing I will never do is be dismissive of the concerns of others. It's just not in me to be that way.

[anygunanywhere]

I really do not understand why people are so offended by firearms. I guess it is because most sheep are brought up to be easily offended. Last time I read the constitution there was not anything in there that said you had the right to not be offended.

Anygun

Anygun,

1) I am not offended by firearms. I have a collection of my own, and I encourage you to build your own. I encourage all citizens to exercise their RKBA. Your comments in that regard, and those of others, if directed at me, are mis-directed. That was not my point at all. My point was simply that, if someone is inside the walls of my house, I have an inherent right to know if they are armed or not. Obviously, you and others disagree, but that still does not equate to my being offended by firearms, and arguments attempting to paint it that way are specious at best.

You do have the right and responsibility to know who is armed in your house. No debate from me.

Do you ask, honestly, everyone if they are armed or not before you let them in your house? It must be quite the ice breaker that start the free flow of communication. I do not ask, at least not up until now. If I do not trust them or know them they do not enter my house. I do not even open the door. The day will come when I do ask but right now I have not. I am not digging at you so please do not take offense.

2) If your "sheep" comment was directed at me, then take it and put it where the sun doesn't shine. It is idiotic to think I am a "sheep" because I want to protect the inside of my home from potential wolves. It makes no sense at all. You want to call me names, now that is offensive. But since you don't think I ought to be offended by that, then I'm sure you won't be offended if I tell you "up yours, pal."

I was not referring to you when I mentioned sheeple. I was talking in generalities. I do think too much is made about being "offended". When a term is used to excess it loses it's meaning and right now when I hear someone say they are offended Ithink "Who cares?"

I will try and more clearly explain my thoughts.

I like to be armed wherever I go, even onto private property. When I think of private property I am referring to an individuals residence. I make a distinction when it come to business property. My posts on this are out there for you to read. Right now I am talking about your house and my house, TAM.

I have invited packers to my house. Packers freely come and go at my invite, some just drop in. I never ask them to disarm. Why would I? I have stated that I welcome them and respect their RKBA. I would be willing to bet that I have had people in my house who packed and I did not know it. Don't ask, don't tell. Keep it concealed. Treat me the way I want to be treated.

I have gone into people's homes armed. They neither gave their consent nor asked. If someone asks I and demands that I disarm then if they are low on my priority scale I will just leave. People who know me trust me. One of my most cherished areas of my life is my reputation. If my work appraisal where my ethics and trust is rated ever changed from where it is now I would be floored. That is me, who I am.

Why would people not trust me with a tool?

Anygunanywhere

[LarryH]

Regarding the contentious debate, it seems to me that respect is a two-way street.

Disclaimer: my job does not require me to go to someone else's residence to perform my official duties, so much of the points discussed are N/A. However, I seriously doubt that any of you would invite me to your house socially unless you trusted me, and that also holds for the other way 'round. So for me, it's a non-issue. Further, since the agency that employs me does not allow personal weapons on-site, my ability to carry excludes any time I am enroute to or from work, unless I can get relief from Federal regulations (not optimistic, but I intend to at least make the request).

[The Annoyed Man]

I have invited packers to my house. Packers freely come and go at my invite, some just drop in. I never ask them to disarm. Why would I? I have stated that I welcome them and respect their RKBA.

And I have previously stated that I have also invited packers into my home. They are my friends, and I trust them, and I have never asked a single one of them to disarm. At no time have I stated that I have done so. You must have missed some of my previous posts.

My issue is with people that I don't know. It is simple really. If I don't know you, and you are in my house, and you are armed, I want to know that you are armed. That way, I can make sure that I am prepared to counter you in case you turn out to be hinkey. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't want people whom I don't know for a certain fact to be upstanding citizens to be carrying firearms into my home, AND I want to have that with the luxury of not having to carry myself all the time inside my home in order to enforce it.

Now, it has been suggested to me here that this is perhaps an unrealistic expectation. But surely you can understand how, if I don't know you, or know anything about you, I can have no way of making any judgment for myself about whether or not I would want you armed inside my home? Lots of people carry illegally. So if the electrician or HVAC guy I call to come fix something at my house is packing when he arrives, I have no way of knowing whether he is a guy like you who is qualified and has proven his fitness for the license, or if he is a guy with a past history of rape or home invasion robbery, do I?

That leaves me with no other alternative but to be packing heat myself each time a stranger comes to the door, since I can apparently have no reasonable expectation that a stranger would offer me that information. The thought of it irks me.