Stupid question: Justification against unarmed

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I have a spinal cord injury,and am disabled , i cannot flee and fighting is out of the question ,my body doesn't do what i tell it to below chest level very well. If i had somebody strike me in the head i'm concernrd even tho i have plates and rods fusing my neck it could cause my spine more damage or kill me.In other words somebody attacks a basically defenseles man i will perceve it as deadly force and will respond in an appropriate manner.
It is said that if you line up all the cars in the world end-to-end, someone would be stupid enough to try to pass them

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Elotemuygrande wrote:
Odin wrote: Not to mention we managed to survive the last 6000 years without the things
I spy a Creationist. But a Creationist named Odin?
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Lykoi wrote:
Odin wrote:
Not to mention we managed to survive the last 6000 years without the things, I don't go into a panic when there's not a cell phone around.
I find my cell phone is more valuable a tool 99% of the time than the firearm i'm carrying...
I would say that I use my cell phone nearly every day and I haven't needed to use a concealed handgun to this point, so the phone is more used, but I wouldn't call it a "more valuable" tool than my firearm. Just my opinion.


Lykoi wrote: I've taken photos of bg's and even a license plate that helped Arlington PD find a guy who tried to shoot someone.

I've called in domestic disturbances on my old neighbors when he decided to show her he was a "man"...

I've called in multiple car wrecks, a heart attack, several "drunk drivers" while i was a bouncer, a guy who drunk when he left a gas station i walked into, and even when i "happened" upon the guy who was riding my stolen motorcycle... in all these cases my phone was used to prevent someone from losing their life, taking another's life, causing injury to another, or to report a crime.
All very valid reasons for having the phone on you. i choose to not always carry a phone on my person. it's a compromise that I understand and accept.

There are many times I could have really used a flashlight, a pen and paper, a pair of pliers, etc...but I don't carry those things all the time either.

I carry a gun only because in a worst case scenario it can save me from a violent felon intent on suddenly ending my life. Not because I think I'll ever need it, but because if I ever need it I probably won't live without it. The other items I think I can survive without. I'm not against people always carrying a phone, I think ti's an excellent idea, but I choose not to always carry a phone.


Lykoi wrote: I've drawn my CCW once... i wouldn't be without it b/c that 1% is all it takes to make the other 99% unimportant...

you should always have the phone for multiple reasons...

you can call for help... if you're outnumbered, cornered, anything you might NEED help, the ability to get it is paramount to your "having one more thing on the belt"

You might witness a crime and be able to follow/identify the suspect... waiting for the police might allow a worse crime to be committed.

There a method to track your phone's location if you are in trouble... I've accidentally dialed 911 on one occasion (don't ask how) and before i knew i'd done it, there were to local LEO's at my door knocking.

If you do use your CCW in defense of yourself, who's to say the BG won't survive and need an ambulance... who's to say you won't be the one injured and need that ambulance? When you're bleeding out and the BG who shot you runs off, are you going to think "man i'm glad i wasn't inconvenienced by falling on one of those "darn cell phones".

In the end it's another tool.. one you should carry every time you walk outside... If you don't "like them" get "good reception" then your choice is what effects your life... but not carrying a cell phone makes less sense that not carrying a firearm.. as it doesn't matter if your finger is on the "trigger" or where you point it... no training is really needed, and not many safety issues or classes to take to learn to use it to prevent/stop a crime.
I always have the phone in my vehicle, which covers most of those scenarios. I just don't often carry it on my person when I exit the vehicle.


Lykoi wrote: If you care enough to be armed, be armed for the majority of situations and not the minority.
I'm armed to potentially save my life, if I felt those other items were likely to be needed to save my life I'd carry them as well.

I can think of dozens of items that could theoretically save my life in an emergency, but I don't keep any of them on my person because I feel that the compromise of not carrying them outweighs the inconvenience of carrying them.
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Dragonfighter wrote:Depending on the environment the potential to disable yourself as well as the BG is very real.

Anyone that has every been exposed to OC knows the truth of this one. I don't carry it any longer for this reason.
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mr surveyor wrote:the argument of "always" having you cell phone on your person is an urban issue. We don't all live in the wonderful world of perfect cell service coverage. At least half of the area in which I work in the NE Tx area is a "no talkie" zone where cell coverage is almost non existent. There just isn't a one size fits all for everyone, everywhere. I carry my cell phone, as well as a whole lot of "other" things on a daily basis, but the cell phone is the very least dependable of my tools.
Even in the "talkie" city setting, an individual cell tower can easily become overloaded and not work. I carry a cell phone daily but don't count on it doing me any good in an emergency.
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