147th Annual NRA Meeting in Dallas

[Lena]

I have called DART on this CC ok all good no issues no issue for me at all they were friendly and very plain just glad they allow CC I am sure some could protest enough and get an o6 rule if they tried pushing it.

Intent at gunshow is they do not want you carrying is the actual notice given legally or not the thought is conveyed, I have seen too many gun problems and you really don't want one for sure so just avoid the issue in a way comfortable to you is all, you can sure loose the battle and win the war or opposite. Either was the losing person is not going to be happy .

[larsgesing]

Hello,

I am a producer for German TV in the U.S., and given the topic of this discussion, I thought I'd share a story we are working on. Given the wall-to-wall coverage of student gun reform protests recently, we are working on a story about high school students/teenagres who are arguing to defend the 2nd Amendment and who are against more regulations of gun purchases. I will be in Dallas this week for the NRA convention. Is there somebody here who could put me in touch with students who can talk about their positive feelings toward guns? We feel like this perspective falls way short in the national media coverage, and we would like to do our part to change that. So if anybody can help, I'd appreciate any leads. My email address is lgesing@ard-usa.com.

Best,
Lars

Searching "ard-usa.com" gives no useful results and the domain registration information is privacy protected.

Is this your company? http://www.ard.de/
http://www.ard.de/download/945900/ARD_B ... glish_.pdf

You?... http://larsgesing.com/index.php/welcome/

There are only a handful of formal pro-2A organizations at the local High School level.
https://www.allenshootingteam.com/
http://shot.sssfonline.com/shot/web/pub ... sp?eid=149

You may have better luck contacting some of the local gun ranges to see if they would allow you to talk with their youth leagues. This is one of the better ranges in the area http://www.shootsmart.com/home/events/

Honestly, I suspect you'll find that many parents are unwilling to allow their kids to be interviewed on such a volatile topic. I would expect the social media backlash to be vehemently negative.

So.... where do you prefer... Boulder or DC?

Thank you very much for all the info. I really appreciate it. I have already started reaching out to gun ranges, but will make sure to follow up with those you mentioned. I understand that this is a sensitive issue and yet hope that folks will help me out and seize this opportunity to bring across their viewpoints as is so often asked for.

This is the homepage of our channel: https://www.tagesschau.de/
And this is the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARD_(broadcaster)

And, yes, that link to my website is correct.

Lastly, not that my personal preferences of locale matter for this story, but I much prefer Colorado and its stories and outdoors over those in DC. :-)

[SQLGeek]

[Both the VP and President are coming to speak in person to the NRA meeting. Why would the NRA shoot themselves in the foot politically (again) and turn them away? They wouldn't and they shouldn't.

Remind me again what Trump has done for gun rights as POTUS, other than attack (currenty) legal accessories?

What does starting a political fight with the POTUS gain the NRA?

[GhostTX]

I'm only dismayed by the fact that as a carrier, I have to be disarmed either then entire time at the convention, or leave the firearm in the vehicle for the speaking event. The folks going via the Mugger Mover (DART), don't have such an option.

Be funny if they had a good ol' gun-check, like the days of old.

Or, don't go to the leadership forum.

That, too, but wasn't apart of my original plan.

[mloamiller]

Hello,

I am a producer for German TV in the U.S., and given the topic of this discussion, I thought I'd share a story we are working on. Given the wall-to-wall coverage of student gun reform protests recently, we are working on a story about high school students/teenagres who are arguing to defend the 2nd Amendment and who are against more regulations of gun purchases. I will be in Dallas this week for the NRA convention. Is there somebody here who could put me in touch with students who can talk about their positive feelings toward guns? We feel like this perspective falls way short in the national media coverage, and we would like to do our part to change that. So if anybody can help, I'd appreciate any leads. My email address is lgesing@ard-usa.com.

Best,
Lars

A few things for you to consider as you research this subject:

1. Statistics over the past couple of decades overwhelming demonstrate that individuals who hold a license to carry a firearm are one of the most - if not THE most - law-abiding segment of our society. This is true in Texas as well as nationwide.

2. If you read through this forum, you'll see a lot of people complaining about not being able to carry their legally-licensed pistol into the venue where the VP and POTUS are speaking - at a convention to support our 2nd Amendment rights. You've seen many people explain how nonsensical that is. What you have NOT seen is anyone advocating that we should just carry anyway - i.e. violate the law. In fact, many will likely choose not to attend, rather than violate the law. See #1.

Common sense (and recent events) will tell you that if someone intends to do harm to one of those speakers, the fact that the law says firearms are not allowed will have ZERO IMPACT on their plans. In fact, the safest place those two gentlemen could possibly be - outside a bunker - is in Texas, in a room full of LTC holders.

[larsgesing]

Hello,

I am a producer for German TV in the U.S., and given the topic of this discussion, I thought I'd share a story we are working on. Given the wall-to-wall coverage of student gun reform protests recently, we are working on a story about high school students/teenagres who are arguing to defend the 2nd Amendment and who are against more regulations of gun purchases. I will be in Dallas this week for the NRA convention. Is there somebody here who could put me in touch with students who can talk about their positive feelings toward guns? We feel like this perspective falls way short in the national media coverage, and we would like to do our part to change that. So if anybody can help, I'd appreciate any leads. My email address is lgesing@ard-usa.com.

Best,
Lars

A few things for you to consider as you research this subject:

1. Statistics over the past couple of decades overwhelming demonstrate that individuals who hold a license to carry a firearm are one of the most - if not THE most - law-abiding segment of our society. This is true in Texas as well as nationwide.

2. If you read through this forum, you'll see a lot of people complaining about not being able to carry their legally-licensed pistol into the venue where the VP and POTUS are speaking - at a convention to support our 2nd Amendment rights. You've seen many people explain how nonsensical that is. What you have NOT seen is anyone advocating that we should just carry anyway - i.e. violate the law. In fact, many will likely choose not to attend, rather than violate the law. See #1.

Common sense (and recent events) will tell you that if someone intends to do harm to one of those speakers, the fact that the law says firearms are not allowed will have ZERO IMPACT on their plans. In fact, the safest place those two gentlemen could possibly be - outside a bunker - is in Texas, in a room full of LTC holders.

Many thanks for this background! In fact, the NRA has banned all foreign media from even entering the exhibit - making our job to report that much harder. As you can see from my original post, that does not stop us investing substantial resources to send a team to Dallas anyway to find 2nd amendment proponents outside the convention center to have them tell their stories.

[jason812]

Just off the phone with NRA. Call the NRA AM number at 1-877-672-7632.

Like every other time Secret Service has been involved at these, the ONLY area that has firearm and knife restrictions is the rooms the POTUS and VP will be in. It does NOT include the rest of the campus.

https://www.nraam.org/media/2612/am2018 ... notice.pdf

Lots of hyperventilating here both on this forum and in the media about the NRA banning guns.

Plain and simple, this isn't the NRA's decision. It's not the VPOTUS' decision. It's not the POTUS' decision. It is solely the Secret Service's decision. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about that.

We are being played for fools. By all accounts, it will be just the forum where the VP and POTUS are speaking not the exhibits that are off limits. The MSM is purposefully being vague to get us riled up and get us to fight among ourselves, and its working.

[PriestTheRunner]

Hello,

I am a producer for German TV in the U.S., and given the topic of this discussion, I thought I'd share a story we are working on. Given the wall-to-wall coverage of student gun reform protests recently, we are working on a story about high school students/teenagres who are arguing to defend the 2nd Amendment and who are against more regulations of gun purchases. I will be in Dallas this week for the NRA convention. Is there somebody here who could put me in touch with students who can talk about their positive feelings toward guns? We feel like this perspective falls way short in the national media coverage, and we would like to do our part to change that. So if anybody can help, I'd appreciate any leads. My email address is lgesing@ard-usa.com.

Best,
Lars

A few things for you to consider as you research this subject:

1. Statistics over the past couple of decades overwhelming demonstrate that individuals who hold a license to carry a firearm are one of the most - if not THE most - law-abiding segment of our society. This is true in Texas as well as nationwide.

2. If you read through this forum, you'll see a lot of people complaining about not being able to carry their legally-licensed pistol into the venue where the VP and POTUS are speaking - at a convention to support our 2nd Amendment rights. You've seen many people explain how nonsensical that is. What you have NOT seen is anyone advocating that we should just carry anyway - i.e. violate the law. In fact, many will likely choose not to attend, rather than violate the law. See #1.

Common sense (and recent events) will tell you that if someone intends to do harm to one of those speakers, the fact that the law says firearms are not allowed will have ZERO IMPACT on their plans. In fact, the safest place those two gentlemen could possibly be - outside a bunker - is in Texas, in a room full of LTC holders.

Many thanks for this background! In fact, the NRA has banned all foreign media from even entering the exhibit - making our job to report that much harder. As you can see from my original post, that does not stop us investing substantial resources to send a team to Dallas anyway to find 2nd amendment proponents outside the convention center to have them tell their stories.

Some relevant information for you about how law-abiding LTC (License to Carry) holders are:

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/02/compa ... t-holders/

So putting the police numbers at an annual rate gives you a rate of 0.01%. Both 0.01% or 0.0003% are both extremely low and the violations might not be comparable in that the private individuals might run into problems that a police officer (even one off duty might not run into), but the rate for police is still 23 times higher.

For all misdemeanors and felonies by police, the rate is 703 yearly average/683,396 full-time officers = 0.102%. By contrast, for Texas in 2015, it was 108/1 million permit holders = 0.0102%. For Florida, between October 1, 1987 and March 31, 2017, 10,868 concealed handgun permits were permanently revoked for misdemeanors, felonies, certain physical infirmities, incapacitation, or involuntarily committed for mental illness. This is an annual rate of 10.3 per 100,000 people who had a permit during that period – still a mere tenth of the rate at which officers commit misdemeanors and felonies.

The raw data on convictions for LTC holders is published annually here:
https://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/LTC/reports/convrates.htm

We basically never commit crime. In discussing the subject of LTC holders with police, when they pull over a LTC and see them hold two licenses out the window, it generally puts them at ease. Feel free to ask any uniformed Law Enforcement Officer what they are thinking when they pull over a LTC for a traffic infringement and find out they have a firearm, they will very likely repeat the same thing. It puts them at ease.


That is why basically unanimously on this forum we disagree with gun-free zones. (Like schools). There is no real security keeping anyone safe and all the sign does is keep us 'good guys' out of the school (or make us disarm to go in). A school shooter / mass shooter has already decided to break the law, and the sign means nothing to them.

As far as the VP and President are concerned, I am ok with a true "Gun Free Zone" as the Secret Service has a job to do. If you wanted to assassinate the President of the United States, and licensed concealed carry is permitted in the venue, it wouldn't be impossible to obtain a 'fake' ID, carry a firearm and get up to the front row for a shot. The License to Carry cards that we have are made with the exact same tools as a normal driver's license here. It would be possible for a dedicated enough person to make or obtain a fake license (but it wouldn't help if a law enforcement officer ran it against the database). That is why I'm fine with a gun free zone around the President (or really anywhere with 'real' security), because the inherently higher risks dictate special needs for that event.

Obviously, some here disagree, but I doubt they are the majority.

Thats my 2 cents (as we say), take it for what it is worth. :)

[bblhd672]

Has anyone ever heard the phrase "Don't talk to the media?" Because I do not read German I have no idea what the slant of this news organization is, so I am forced to default to the position that they are pro-German government type of thinking - for immigration and against civilian ownership of firearms.
Personally, I have nothing to say to either American or foreign "journalists" as they have proven time after time to distort and/or obscure the truth.

[larsgesing]

Has anyone ever heard the phrase "Don't talk to the media?" Because I do not read German I have no idea what the slant of this news organization is, so I am forced to default to the position that they are pro-German government type of thinking - for immigration and against civilian ownership of firearms.
Personally, I have nothing to say to either American or foreign "journalists" as they have proven time after time to distort and/or obscure the truth.

It is your right to not speak to journalists, of course. And I do not buy into the illusion that being honest and open about how we report the news and tell peoples’ stories is going to change the minds of those who complain about the main stream media to the likeminded but then refuse to engage in civil discourse when the opportunity arises.

I would have, however, thought that despite the NRA not wanting us there, us spending time and money to leave the “Washington bubble” to come to Dallas and speak to second amendment defenders about their thoughts and ideas to make this a safer nation would have shown that we generally care about the stories Texans and convention attendees have to share.

I really appreciate everyone’s input, and the time you take to write down some of your thoughts, facts and resources to help this become the most informative story possible. Thank you for that, and I look forward to anyone else sharing their thoughts!

[texas yankee]

SO even though POTUS and VPOTUS will be speaking at the NRA convention, the exhibit hall will be OK for CC ??

[jason812]

SO even though POTUS and VPOTUS will be speaking at the NRA convention, the exhibit hall will be OK for CC ??

That is the consensus. OC be OK too...

[John Galt]

I am just going to make it easy on myself and leave the gun at home.

[Grundy1133]

I am just going to make it easy on myself and leave the gun at home.

the ticketed area where they'll be speaking will be off limits everywhere else will be fine.