Businesses that prohibit CHL

[jimlongley]

I do wonder, if I entered one of the anchor stores that is not posted on the outside, would I still be legal.

Yes, I think you would be legal.

And would I be legal if I entered the mall from the anchor store, where there is also no posting at the mall entrance?

I think you would still be legal and that is what those "we aren't posted" stores were hinting at...

I got the hint, but chose to ignore it when I wrote back about the number of customers they would be losing because there were those who would never wander in from the mall, due to the fact that they wouldn't enter in the first place, and there were those of us who objected to even giving the anchor stores revenue that would pay rent to an anti-gun corporation.

[jimlongley]

Central Kia, Plano TX

Re: Central Kia, Plano Texas

My wife and I stopped in today and had an otherwise enjoyable day shopping for a new vehicle totally destroyed by your policy of discrimination against law abiding citizens.

I have seen your sign, discriminating against law abiding citizens, and will obey your wishes and take my money elsewhere. Your salesman, Chris, who told me that the City of Plano made you put up the signs is either a liar or the person who told him that is. I don't feel that I can trust an auto dealership that would tell such blatant lies.

In either case, since I have never been convicted of a felony, I have never been convicted of a misdemeanor, am not late on taxes or school loan payments, have been investigated by the state and federal government to prove that I am not a criminal or mentally unstable, have passed training and testing specified by the state to qualify me to carry a concealed handgun, I will take my business elsewhere and inform my friends, Kia corporate, and even the entire internet of your discriminatory policy.

cc Kia Motors America

[RPBrown]

Had to go to Grapevine Mills Mall last night(granddaughters birthday @ Rain Forest Cafe) and although it was posted, the lettering still does not meet the requirements but sign location is what bothered me. We went in at the east entrance next to RFC. The sign was posted on the left of the entrance. As you walk up, you would have to turn around to see it. Hope it's the last time I have to go there anyway but sign location could be dangerous if someone didn't turn around to see it.

[da.suxor]

Take Six Flags for instance. They have a cast bronze sign. The background is dark bronze and the raised lettering is polished. Technically speaking, that probably is not considered contrasting colors, but it's still plenty easy to read and I won't be going in Six Flags carrying a gun because of it.

Went yesturday to Six Flags in Arlington. Right before the metal detector, there is a huge, very nicely done, sign that is 30.06 compliant. It is a stone plaque that is about 5 feet tall by 4 feet wide. It has 30.06 in English and Spanish, with a light brown stone color background and black lettering.

So before you make that long walk to the park entrance from the Parking lot, leave all weapons and knives in the car :-)

I had to run back.

[bauerdj]

I believe, if the area of the amusment park is over 75 acres, that carrying is prohibited even without the 30.06 sign. SplashTown, which is also owned by 6 Flags is less then 75 acres, and I do not believe they are 30.06 posted at all. Course it might be a little challanging to carry in a waterpark!

Dave B.

[da.suxor]

I believe, if the area of the amusment park is over 75 acres, that carrying is prohibited even without the 30.06 sign. SplashTown, which is also owned by 6 Flags is less then 75 acres, and I do not believe they are 30.06 posted at all. Course it might be a little challanging to carry in a waterpark!

Dave B.

I am pretty sure previous disccusions have indicated that whereas State Statues previously prohibited carrying in a amusement park, hospital, church, etc, now they have to post a 30.06 sign to prevent CHL holders from carrying on premise.

[bauerdj]

da.suxor
You are correct, I didn't read far enough into the code.


Dave B.

[racer32]

Had to go to Grapevine Mills Mall last night(granddaughters birthday @ Rain Forest Cafe) and although it was posted, the lettering still does not meet the requirements but sign location is what bothered me. We went in at the east entrance next to RFC. The sign was posted on the left of the entrance. As you walk up, you would have to turn around to see it. Hope it's the last time I have to go there anyway but sign location could be dangerous if someone didn't turn around to see it.

Been there, done that...I saw the sign on the way OUT! Niemanm-Marcus and JC Penny's store entrances right next to that mall entrance are not posted.

[Commander]

What do you think about adding a section for businessess/locations posted 30.06 (I always wondered if that irony was intentional...) or 30.05? I'm sure TSRA tries, but I wonder how accurate some of their website postings are...


We could then join or begin organized campaigns to get them to understand the folly of their ways by not spending a cent there. The local touch would help as well, I would think.

For whats its worth as a new member, I think such a page would be beneficial.

[Charles L. Cotton]

What do you think about adding a section for businessess/locations posted 30.06 (I always wondered if that irony was intentional...) or 30.05? I'm sure TSRA tries, but I wonder how accurate some of their website postings are...


We could then join or begin organized campaigns to get them to understand the folly of their ways by not spending a cent there. The local touch would help as well, I would think.

For whats its worth as a new member, I think such a page would be beneficial.

I'm not opposed to having a list of businesses that post 30.06 signs, but I do have some concerns. My primary concern is continuing accuracy of the list. For the most part, I don't like "anti-gun" lists as they are notoriously inaccurate. Sometimes the business was never really anti-gun and some that were changed their policy, but remained on the list.

If there is enough interest, I'll start a 30.06 list, but I need some input as to how we are going to make sure it remains accurate. This would require a periodic check to see if the signs are still up, do they appear to meet the statutory requirements, are they on all entrances, etc. This is no easy undertaking, so please give it some thought before "voting" yes on the proposal. Again, I'm not against such a list, I just believe it will take a greater commitment from forum members than folks initially realize.

I can see the greatest benefit to people traveling to an event and being able to look quickly to see if their destination is posted. The list wouldn’t be all-inclusive, but it would be a start.

What say ye?
Chas.

[KinnyLee]

I'm sure some of us who are in certain area can divy it up for that particular area.

[nitrogen]

I was looking for this thread to post a business that I saw that prohibited CHL. (Kindness Small Animal Hospital, Jupiter Road in Garland, with a non-compliant no handguns sign)

I think it'd be fair to include a date the posting was seen, along with a policy to expire a listing after a sufficient lenght of time if nobody confirms it.

For instance, using a fictional example:
I notice that Texas State Mall in Stevenson, TX is posted. I submit the listing, with details of what I saw. (A 30.06 sign, a non-conforming sign, etc)

Someone else goes to Texas State mall and notices the sign, and they confirm the posting.
Now, let's say that Texas State Mall removes their signs after an effective campaign by CHL holders in the city.
If nobody confirms the entry after X number of months, it'd fall out of the list, or someone can confirm that it's no longer posted.

If we're all wiling to do this, i think it's the only way it can be effective and accurate.

[ElGato]

Nitrogen

When you see a sign that is non-compliant, in my opinion you shouldn't say or do anything, just carry like it wasn't there, unless it is a place listed under 46.03 or 46.035 a non-compliant sign has no effect on a person carrying with a CHL.

[Commander]

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quote="jimlongley"]When I wrote to all of the stores in Grapevine Mills, the ones I could obtain addresses for anyway, many of them responded that their stores are not posted, and a couple even pointed out that their mall entrances were not posted either.  I was given to understand that they had received multiple communications on the order of "The mall is posted so I am not doing business with you." which is essentially what I sent them, and that some had actually been savvy enough to look into the situation.

I still won't go there, but I found the responses interesting.

I also found the response from the Mills corporate office, that they were merely following the lead of "most other malls in the area" and they were doing it for the safety of their customers interesting, and their lack of response to my informal survey of area malls showing that the only 
posted one was Grapevine, most interesting of all.

I do wonder, if I entered one of the anchor stores that is not posted on the outside, would I still be legal.  

Would I be legal if GM could show that I had knowledge of the main entrance posting (remember that they undoubtedly kept my letter in a file marked "potential terrorists") prior to my visit to the anchor store

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Several years ago, I went Valley View Mall in Dallas and was confronted with 30.06 signs. After returning home, I wrote the corporate offices and pointed out that they didn't want business from the law abiding citizen. I never heard from them and I have never been back.

I have seen some postings that refer to some TSRA card that some are giving out. TSRA's website is down, what is the card all about?

[jimlongley]

Cards similar to this one are available from TSRA and a variety of gun stores. I print my own.



I pass these out to any and all businesses that discriminate against law abiding citizens in favor of criminals.