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gljjt wrote:This is how I understood his opinion. But IANAL.rocinante wrote:Didn't the AG opinion refer to properties leased at "arms-length"? That is, the lessee has full control of the property? I'm not sure a gun show would count for that, unless there were no "city" staff present at all (e.g. management, security, janitorial), and the city did not impose any rules or control over the lessee activities beyond what would normally show up in a business property lease.
Why would you allow them to zip tie your gun, and also walk back to your car with ammo? Were you uncertain of your legal ability to carry at that location or did they force the issue through the use of metal detectors, etc?bblhd672 wrote:I was at Ft. Worth gun show this weekend as well. Wasn't happy about having to walk back to my car and leave my ammo there after the police officer zip tied my pistol.
Really annoying that Premiere Gun Shows says on their website that your gun is welcome, but not tell you that you cannot open or concealed carry there.
I enjoyed walking the floor but not sure that I will go to a Premiere show again if they don't publicly clarify their position on carrying inside the show.
Couldn't they just ask you to leave without giving a reason? I thought that any business owner could tell anyone to leave for no reason at all, and if that person refuses to leave they would be guilty of trespass.AJSully421 wrote:Here is where it gets really tricky... Texas law makes zero distinction between a loaded firearm and an unloaded one. So, the venue has no legal authority to make you unload your pistol on those premises. Everyone who is carrying around a pistol in a case is concealing a handgun... Some with a license and some without. Is there a problem with you concealing an unloaded handgun? No...
It gets better, the promoter does have the ability to refuse entry to you, and they can revoke your entry for any reason. However, if you refuse to leave... What section of the penal code would be used to remove you? In 99% of cases, PC 30.05 Trespassing is what will be used. However, 30.05 has a specific provision 30.05(f) that says that it cannot be used if someone has a license and is carrying a handgun, again... Load or unloaded does not matter.
So, the promoter calls over the FWPD officers who monitor the gun show... And the promoter says "he has a loaded pistol in here and I want him removed"... Well, they cannot remove or arrest you under 30.05 because the reason for your trespass is that you have a license and a handgun, they cannot use 30.06 (even if posted) because it is on city-owned premises... You are not threatening anyone, you are not being abusive or cussing...
So, what are they going to do? They can't legally do a thing to you. They cannot even CT you from future shows because of the same restriction in 30.05(f).
Seems like fun to me.
Because you are not allowed to enter without your firearm checked by LEO who zip ties it in manner that it cannot be used.Soccerdad1995 wrote:Why would you allow them to zip tie your gun, and also walk back to your car with ammo? Were you uncertain of your legal ability to carry at that location or did they force the issue through the use of metal detectors, etc?bblhd672 wrote:I was at Ft. Worth gun show this weekend as well. Wasn't happy about having to walk back to my car and leave my ammo there after the police officer zip tied my pistol.
Really annoying that Premiere Gun Shows says on their website that your gun is welcome, but not tell you that you cannot open or concealed carry there.
I enjoyed walking the floor but not sure that I will go to a Premiere show again if they don't publicly clarify their position on carrying inside the show.
It works for most situations but in a gun show there are more weapons out than there are holstered. If someone has a negligent discharge could you imagine trying to figure out which of the several thousand weapons it came from?Flightmare wrote:
THIS!
Theoretically, the only people who should be loaded are the ones carried by LTCs or LEOs. It's like going to the Ren fest with a sword, they had no problem with me bringing it. They simply asked that it remained sheathed.TexasTornado wrote:It works for most situations but in a gun show there are more weapons out than there are holstered. If someone has a negligent discharge could you imagine trying to figure out which of the several thousand weapons it came from?Flightmare wrote:
THIS!
The only renfair I've been to swords were tied into the sheaths, which is pretty much the same concept as the zip ties.Flightmare wrote:Theoretically, the only people who should be loaded are the ones carried by LTCs or LEOs. It's like going to the Ren fest with a sword, they had no problem with me bringing it. They simply asked that it remained sheathed.TexasTornado wrote:It works for most situations but in a gun show there are more weapons out than there are holstered. If someone has a negligent discharge could you imagine trying to figure out which of the several thousand weapons it came from?Flightmare wrote:
THIS!
If you are bringing a gun to sell/trade, then it should be unloaded and in a case/rug.
TexasTornado wrote:The only renfair I've been to swords were tied into the sheaths, which is pretty much the same concept as the zip ties.Flightmare wrote:Theoretically, the only people who should be loaded are the ones carried by LTCs or LEOs. It's like going to the Ren fest with a sword, they had no problem with me bringing it. They simply asked that it remained sheathed.TexasTornado wrote:It works for most situations but in a gun show there are more weapons out than there are holstered. If someone has a negligent discharge could you imagine trying to figure out which of the several thousand weapons it came from?Flightmare wrote:
THIS!
If you are bringing a gun to sell/trade, then it should be unloaded and in a case/rug.
But I agree LTC holders should be able to carry, just carry something you don't need to handle during the course of your outing. If you want to try new holsters for your EDC, then carry something else and have the EDC checked in as usual.
