For those concerned about property rights:

[anygunanywhere]

Some of you think 30.06/30.07 "ought" to reflect other states and their gun laws.

Sorry, we're in Texas, but you can dream the impossible dream, fight the unbeatable foe,
bear with unbearable sorrow, to run where the brave dare not go...

Ah, get over it.

You're in Texas and we have 30.06/30.07.

Live with it or move.

Some people would have also said that Texas would have never had open carry, we're fighting the unbeatable foe, etc. Or in 1993 we would have never had concealed carry with the current governor especially how she said she would never sign a concealed carry law. Or that we would have never had campus carry. If the Texas legislators and people had followed your advice then we would never have concealed carry in Texas. This forum might not even exist right now. But look where we are now. In 2017 it could be time for a clean up bill to remove many prohibited locations where we can carry and possibly a 30.06 removal could be included. I'm not sure how it's gonna happen. I'm not sure if Senator Birdwell is going to support such a bill especially with the way he supports private property rights. It would probably have to be amended on to the bill in the House. It would be great however to remove racetracks, 51% locations, colleges' ability to create gun free zones, and other schools and maybe other banned carry places from where we can't carry.

You need to excuse Abraham. We consider him our own precious Grumpy Old Man.

[amaly23]

OK, if my last post didn't make sense, I'll rephrase it. Here's a different way of looking at it.
(In 1993) Sorry, we're in Texas. Texas doesn't allow concealed carry. Live with it or move.
(In 2007) Sorry, we're in Texas. Texas doesn't allow you to stand your ground. You must retreat before using deadly force. Live with it or move.
(In 2015) Sorry, we're in Texas. Texas doesn't allow you to openly carry a handgun or carry a handgun on college campuses. Live with it or move.

This logic has never been used by our legislators, at least with gun issues. Or it has been used, but it hasn't stopped these "new" bills from becoming law. LTC holders should be allowed to carry in as many places as possible, especially because of how law abiding they are, and only be restricted with force of law if their presence either actively harms someone else (very hard to argue with concealed carry in a business) or actively creates danger (for example in a jail where an inmate could take a weapon or just randomly attack somone who is armed and use it to escape, and the risk is just way too high). IMO any restricted carry area should be strongly supported by a compelling reason such as these two.

[gljjt]

In light of the HEB discussion, I thought I'd make this point about "property rights", or lack thereof.

Not long ago, a bunch of environmentalist types decided that plastic grocery bags were offensive and they wanted grocery stores and other retail shops to stop using them. They didn't wring their hands and say "oh, I don't like plastic bags but I would never try to tell the owner of a private business what to do". They didn't say "I'll politely ask the owner not to use plastic bags and if he or she refuses, I'll respectfully take my business elsewhere because private property rights trump all". Know what they did? They went to the local government, in this case the City of Austin but other cities have followed suit, and screamed "pass this law forcing all these private businesses to do what I want!!!". And guess what? The City of Austin did, and HEB, Sprouts and Whole Foods can no longer make the choice to use plastic grocery bags in their private businesses.

But they can choose to exclude open or concealed carriers from their stores, because we respect property rights.

This isn't fair. We can't be the only side that honors the rules. Commercial property is and always has been different.

did you really say "this isn't fair"?

life isn't fair, we deal with it.
life isn't fair if you're on the right side
life isn't fair if you're in the middle income bracket
life isn't fair if you're a decent person
life isn't fair if you're mostly white
life just plain isn't fair, deal with it and move on.

my kids learned that when they were 3.

And I'm glad life isn't fair.

2/3 of the world's population goes to bed hungry EVERY night. If life was "fair" I'd be one of them.

The bottom 10% of the U.S. income distribution falls in the upper 30% of the global income distribution. So the poor in this country are wealthier than 70% of the world's population.

We have more freedom with regards to firearms than any other country. Of course I'm excluding Somalia, Syria, etc.

I can worship as I please without fear of being decapitated, imprisoned or stoned.

Life not being fair is a luxury we enjoy. I've learned over the last 2 years, because of a family illness, that some things just don't really matter.

[Abraham]

amaly23,

"IMO any restricted carry area should be strongly supported by a compelling reason such as these two."

Well, your opinion holds no sway against what the law says...

Want to work within the system?

Go ahead, but currently you'll follow the law as it now exists or pay a penalty.

Up to you...

[Scott Farkus]

Has anybody here advocated not following the law? What is your point?