Interesting email conversation with CCW Safe

[john@ccwsafe.com]

Sorry, but I don't get alerts from this site.
To be clear, we cover our members in critical self defense incidents where they in legal possession of a firearm. This is the same statement that you said US Law Shield made. Pretty simple.
When DOJ found the shooting of Michael Brown to be justified, Eric Holder had his team go after the PD and city. The only thing they could find was some old emails. These comments could quickly become twisted after a critical incident. I've written articles about this to include what happened in Ferguson. Nothing gets deleted ( Hey Hillary).
If you carry your gun legally and are involved in a critical self defense incident, CCW Safe with cover you. This is standard requirement for every company. Please keep in mind that CCW Safe cover you in all self defense incidents, not just shootings. If you are involved in a self defense incident and don't have a gun, but use your hands, we will cover you. If you are involved in a self defense incident and are in legal possession of a weapon, but don't use it, we will cover you. Again, CCW Safe is based on the police union model. We follow the use of force continuum. You don't have to shoot someone to have protection.
Look at our exclusions and compare our terms to our competitors. You won't find better protection. Again, read our terms. There are no weasel words or pages of exclusions. Your agreement is with CCW Safe, not someone else. This is an important point.

Again, thanks for letting me explain the benefits of CCW Safe. We don't do pressure sales or scare tactics. We try to work with Law Enforcement to make sure you are treated as a victim, not a suspect after a self defense incident. No caps on criminal and civil legal, investigators or expert witnesses. We respond to your scene and start working your defense from the beginning. We hire the best self defense attorneys to defend you. Our attorneys don't work off a commission program, but get paid for the work they perform. Our bond protection starts at $250,000 and goes up to $1,000,000. We recently posted a $500,000 bond for one of our members. Our goal is to protect our members, just like our police unions protected us after a critical incident.

[jrs_diesel]

Is it me, or do I not see any clear answers about the 30.06 and 30.07 signs, and what they consider off limits establishments?

[joelamosobadiah]

Is it me, or do I not see any clear answers about the 30.06 and 30.07 signs, and what they consider off limits establishments?

Sorry, but I don't get alerts from this site.
To be clear, we cover our members in critical self defense incidents where they in legal possession of a firearm.

Seems clear to me. To expect a multi-state organization to address specific Texas laws and restate those laws here seems a bit overbearing. The broad statement above is stating that they will cover you if you are within the bounds of the laws where the incident occurs.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Is it me, or do I not see any clear answers about the 30.06 and 30.07 signs, and what they consider off limits establishments?

It's very clear to me. He is saying, if you're legal, you are covered. Apparently, you are covered without limits, including expert witnesses and a lot more than just a "free" attorney.

Chas.

[MONGOOSE]

I have a 2 million limit

[Countryside]

I just had a long, and pleasant, conversation with John at CCW Shield. He did share that the phrase "place that honors your concealed carry permit" originally meant the reciprocation between states concerning CHLs. He admitted that the laws have changed since then, but the bottom line is if you are carrying legally you will be covered. That's the bottom line. He explained to me the reasons he responded in certain ways...he was trying to help ME...and after he explained it to me it made sense. I appreciate the way he took what was at least 30 minutes to explain important things to a non-member. He didn't have to...he just did.
Thank you, John.

[EEllis]

Is it me, or do I not see any clear answers about the 30.06 and 30.07 signs, and what they consider off limits establishments?

How can it not be clear? As long as there isn't a 30.06, 30.07, 51% or some other statutory restriction on possession then they will defend you. Why do people keep asking slightly different questions to try and get a different answer? It seem clear that they would defend a self defense incident but not a unlawful carry incident because it's self defense insurance not gun insurance.

[Glockster]

I have read all the posts here, and had read previous similar threads. One thing that I think that I understand from researching is that while they do cover your legal expenses (as described here), this isn't an actual insurance. Meaning that if you lose your case and have a judgement against you, you are responsible for paying the judgement. Or does someone have a different understanding of that? Here's where I read that:
https://www.truthinadvertising.org/ccw-safe/
https://www.truthinadvertising.org/ccw- ... -tina-org/

[jrs_diesel]

I guess it was me

I guess I just like reading simple english instead of fine print

[rvsullivan]

I almost never post on here. But I do try to read here every day, and rarely is there a situation where I feel I could add anything to what most of the long term posters have to say.
But, in following this I think I see two things. One, anything they (the company) post on here could come up later in a court of law, and not in a positive way. Secondly, it appears they are saying just one thing, if you are legal (by Texas law), you will be covered. Not a lot of wriggle room there. Also, they are not an insurance company.
Thanks for letting me post.

[Countryside]

I almost never post on here. But I do try to read here every day, and rarely is there a situation where I feel I could add anything to what most of the long term posters have to say.
But, in following this I think I see two things. One, anything they (the company) post on here could come up later in a court of law, and not in a positive way. Secondly, it appears they are saying just one thing, if you are legal (by Texas law), you will be covered. Not a lot of wriggle room there. Also, they are not an insurance company.
Thanks for letting me post.

That was a good post.
If it is on the internet...it is forever. On forums, Facebook, even email (ask Hillary.) Yes, that did have something to do with his emails to me and his posting here. It does not only apply to a company....it applies to all of us.
I was reminded that self-defense does not begin with owning or carrying a gun. It starts with the way we think, talk and conduct ourselves....including the way we use social media, texts, forums, emails...which can all become a factor if we are ever involved in an unwanted, undesired incident where we are forced to use a weapon to defend ourselves.

[tlt]

Well this is quite timely. And at least Chas will want to be aware of it, seeing as he is quoted from the forum in the article. Now I've put any decision on hold pending some definitive outcome..

The Texas Legal Outfit Accused of Preying on Concealed Carry Holders
http://www.thetrace.org/2015/08/texas-l ... n-lawsuit/

[mojo84]

Well this is quite timely. And at least Chas will want to be aware of it, seeing as he is quoted from the forum in the article. Now I've put any decision on hold pending some definitive outcome..

The Texas Legal Outfit Accused of Preying on Concealed Carry Holders
http://www.thetrace.org/2015/08/texas-l ... n-lawsuit/

Once they use the moneys paid to them by their "members" for their legal fees, what is going to be left to pay for the defense of their members?

[a.nonimous]

one more question for CCW safe,

do they specify if they cover 'brandishing" or showing a weapon? -- as in three guys approching in a dark lot and you indicate you have a gun-- covered if they call 911 and say you threatened them????? or if someone calls and says I threatened them, get stopped by police and I DID NOT in any way indicate I had a gun--- just an accusation against me with no 'event' at all????


would they provide an attorney to straighten all this out?

because criminals are pretty good at lying.