Carry at work?
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:21 pm
Ok, so I have been wondering about this for a while and have yet to get a definiative answer.
I work in Mansfield, for a branch of a company that is headquartered in Kentucky. There are only ten people in our facilty, all born and bred Texans, all "pro-gun". I have recently received my plastic and have been wondering about the ability to carry concealed on the company property and in the facility. I do joe two other employees have their CHL, but have not asked if they carry at work.
Below is the section of our handbook that addresses weapons. This is the only mention of any kind in the whole thing that remotely references weapons, so I'm a bit confused...does Texas law apply, does Kentucky? And what would be considered a "unlawful weapon" in the case of a CHL-er?
“Workplace Violence Prevention
Violence by an employee or anyone else against an employee, supervisor or customer will not be tolerated. The purpose of this policy is to minimize the potential risk of personal injuries to employees at work and to reduce the possibility of damage of company property in the event someone, for whatever reason, may be unhappy with a company decision or action by an employee or member of management.
If you receive or overhear any threatening communications from an employee or third party, or encounter an individual who is threatening immediate harm to an employee or third party, report it to a supervisor, director, Vice-President or the President of the company immediately. Do not engage in either physical or verbal confrontation with a potentially violent individual.
Absolutely no unlawful weapons will be allowed on company premises, which include the grounds and parking lots.
All reports of work-related threats will be kept confidential to the extent possible, investigated and documented. Employees are encouraged to report and participate in an investigation of any suspected or actual incident of workplace violence. Your failure to report or fully cooperate in the company’s investigation may result in discipline.
Violations of this policy will not be permitted, and will result in disciplinary action, up to and including discharge. Further, violations of this policy may be reported to law enforcement personnel and the offenders may be prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law.”
“Workplace Searches
To protect the property and to ensure the safety of all employees, customers and the company, the company reserves the right to conduct personal searches consistent with state law, and to inspect any packages, parcels, purses, handbags, brief cases, lunch boxes or any other possessions or articles carried to and from the company’s property. In addition, the company reserves the right to search any employee’s office, desk, files, lockers, equipment, or any other area or article on our premises, including vehicles parked on company property. In this regard, it should be noted that all offices, desks, files, lockers, equipment, etc. are the property of the company, and are issued for the use of employees only during their employment. Inspection may be conducted at any time at the discretion of the company.
Employees working on or entering or leaving the premises who refuse to cooperate in an inspection, as well as employees who after the inspection are believed to be in possession of stolen property, unlawful weapons or illegal drugs or alcohol will be subject to disciplinary action, up to and including discharge if, upon investigation, they are found to be in violation of the company’s security procedures or any other company rules and regulations.”
Can I carry? Or should I abstain for the sake of the job? It seems fairly obtuse and generic, as if to scare off someone that does not know the law, but I am trying to be diligent and make sure I know the facts. Comments and suggestions or proof of what is legal would be greatly appreciated.
I work in Mansfield, for a branch of a company that is headquartered in Kentucky. There are only ten people in our facilty, all born and bred Texans, all "pro-gun". I have recently received my plastic and have been wondering about the ability to carry concealed on the company property and in the facility. I do joe two other employees have their CHL, but have not asked if they carry at work.
Below is the section of our handbook that addresses weapons. This is the only mention of any kind in the whole thing that remotely references weapons, so I'm a bit confused...does Texas law apply, does Kentucky? And what would be considered a "unlawful weapon" in the case of a CHL-er?
“Workplace Violence Prevention
Violence by an employee or anyone else against an employee, supervisor or customer will not be tolerated. The purpose of this policy is to minimize the potential risk of personal injuries to employees at work and to reduce the possibility of damage of company property in the event someone, for whatever reason, may be unhappy with a company decision or action by an employee or member of management.
If you receive or overhear any threatening communications from an employee or third party, or encounter an individual who is threatening immediate harm to an employee or third party, report it to a supervisor, director, Vice-President or the President of the company immediately. Do not engage in either physical or verbal confrontation with a potentially violent individual.
Absolutely no unlawful weapons will be allowed on company premises, which include the grounds and parking lots.
All reports of work-related threats will be kept confidential to the extent possible, investigated and documented. Employees are encouraged to report and participate in an investigation of any suspected or actual incident of workplace violence. Your failure to report or fully cooperate in the company’s investigation may result in discipline.
Violations of this policy will not be permitted, and will result in disciplinary action, up to and including discharge. Further, violations of this policy may be reported to law enforcement personnel and the offenders may be prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law.”
“Workplace Searches
To protect the property and to ensure the safety of all employees, customers and the company, the company reserves the right to conduct personal searches consistent with state law, and to inspect any packages, parcels, purses, handbags, brief cases, lunch boxes or any other possessions or articles carried to and from the company’s property. In addition, the company reserves the right to search any employee’s office, desk, files, lockers, equipment, or any other area or article on our premises, including vehicles parked on company property. In this regard, it should be noted that all offices, desks, files, lockers, equipment, etc. are the property of the company, and are issued for the use of employees only during their employment. Inspection may be conducted at any time at the discretion of the company.
Employees working on or entering or leaving the premises who refuse to cooperate in an inspection, as well as employees who after the inspection are believed to be in possession of stolen property, unlawful weapons or illegal drugs or alcohol will be subject to disciplinary action, up to and including discharge if, upon investigation, they are found to be in violation of the company’s security procedures or any other company rules and regulations.”
Can I carry? Or should I abstain for the sake of the job? It seems fairly obtuse and generic, as if to scare off someone that does not know the law, but I am trying to be diligent and make sure I know the facts. Comments and suggestions or proof of what is legal would be greatly appreciated.
