Attacking your 2nd amendment rights by limiting the 1st

[stroo]

Campaign finance reform, fairness doctrine, much of the lobbyist reform is really about stifling political speech, which is what the 1st Amendment was intended to protect. Meanwhile you just about can't do anything to limit pornography or obscenity, which really wasn't protected originally by the 1st Amendment at all. Welcome to Wonderland, Alice.

[stevie_d_64]

I need to check my email alerts quicker I suppose...

I'm happier than peach puddin' that this was defeated...And like another said here, I am concerned that something like this will be hidden even deeper into some bill in the future...

But with the way "right" thinking people are, I am sure it will be caught again, and hopefully people like Senators Robert Bennett (R-Utah) and Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) will push to amend that into oblivion again...

I'm going to go out and look at that vote tally...

I would think it would be prudent to "hard" (don't link it) embed that vote count in this thread for future reference in our archive...

To me its these sneeky little (to some) things that really help you get an idea where some fence riders fall on issues...

[TraCoun]

First, it doesn't limit grassroots lobbying.
This would limit orgs like the NRA, as well as HCI/Bradycampaign just as equally. I'm not impressed.

Nitrogen,
Besides the information Charles posted in response, I think if this passes you will find that the Dems will find some way to NOT have it apply to HCI, etc. I heard that when they submitted the now infamous Campaign Finance Reform bill they already had planned ways to get around it.
Thanx,
TraCoun

[TraCoun]

One other thing to watch out for, folks ...
If I am right, whatever the final form of this bill, if the House and Senate versions are different they will go to a conference committee. Then the committee can slip the objectionable stuff back in and shove it down our throats. If I am incorrect those more knowledgable in legislative stuff can straighten me out.
TraCoun

[stevie_d_64]

One other thing to watch out for, folks ...
If I am right, whatever the final form of this bill, if the House and Senate versions are different they will go to a conference committee. Then the committee can slip the objectionable stuff back in and shove it down our throats. If I am incorrect those more knowledgable in legislative stuff can straighten me out.
TraCoun

Well we can hope a few elected officials have grown some, and developed a spine to filibuster if it ever came to that...

But for something as "minor" as this issue is...I doubt we'd get something up to block it...A VETO for things we don't like is pretty much non-existant...

[Venus Pax]

Charles,
If I read your link correctly, both Cornyn and Hutchison voted for Section 220. Am I reading it correctly that they voted to stifle free speech of union and lobby group members?
If I'm reading this correctly, I think a letter of admonishment is in order.
I could be reading this entirely wrong. Please correct me if I am. I don't want to chastise two senators trying to help us!

[Charles L. Cotton]

Charles,
If I read your link correctly, both Cornyn and Hutchison voted for Section 220. Am I reading it correctly that they voted to stifle free speech of union and lobby group members?
If I'm reading this correctly, I think a letter of admonishment is in order.
I could be reading this entirely wrong. Please correct me if I am. I don't want to chastise two senators trying to help us!

No, Cornyn and Hutchison voted for the Bennett-McConnell Amendment that removed Section 220. I don't think any Republicans voted to keep Section 220.

Chas.

[stevie_d_64]

Charles,
If I read your link correctly, both Cornyn and Hutchison voted for Section 220. Am I reading it correctly that they voted to stifle free speech of union and lobby group members?
If I'm reading this correctly, I think a letter of admonishment is in order.
I could be reading this entirely wrong. Please correct me if I am. I don't want to chastise two senators trying to help us!

No, Cornyn and Hutchison voted for the Bennett-McConnell Amendment that removed Section 220. I don't think any Republicans voted to keep Section 220.

Chas.

Yep...

[Venus Pax]

Thanks!