Giuliani: Is he as bad as Clinton, or is he even worse?

[jimlongley]

that would be regarded as the functional equivalent of voting for Hillary.

Only in Hobson's choice terms assuming that Hilly is bound to win unless one votes for one of the others, and only those.

[boomerang]

Vote to defeat the socialists

= vote against Rudy.

[boomerang]

Quayle was no JFK. And Giuliani is no Ronald Reagan.

Ask Giuliani about semi-auto rifles.

[frankie_the_yankee]

that would be regarded as the functional equivalent of voting for Hillary.

Only in Hobson's choice terms assuming that Hilly is bound to win unless one votes for one of the others, and only those.

Sure. But those are the terms likely to prevail in the real world.

Now I can envision a scenario where the Republican could be running 10 points ahead of Hillary/Obama here in TX. So if someone wants to throw their vote away by voting for Elmer Fudd, the standardbearer of the "Slow Wheat" party, it might not make any difference.

But in any kind of contested race, whether in TX or any other state, failing to vote for the major party opponent of Hillary/Obama is equivalent to throwing the 2A under the bus.

[jimlongley]

Sure. But those are the terms likely to prevail in the real world.

Only in your view.

[Renegade]

That was good work on the court cases Frankie, and sadly, I think that is the only issue. Both are anti-gun, and will pass any anti-gun bill that lands on their desk, but I do think RG would appoint less liberal judges than HC.

[frankie_the_yankee]

Sure. But those are the terms likely to prevail in the real world.

Only in your view.

Yes.

So what is your view of the choice likely to be available to us next November? Do you think it will be more favorable than Rudy vs. Hillary?

I sure hope it will be myself, but I was just trying to provide perspective on what to do in a worst case scenario.

I think that the people who would vote for Hillary/Obama (over Rudy) and/or a minor party candidate, (or siimply stay home) would be making a big mistake that they will regret for many, many years to come.

[Sailor]

I can't imagine anything worse for America than Mrs. Clinton as President. Rudy is not even close to my 1st choice for President; but do consider that the worst Republican is better than the best Democrat....in this race for sure.

To believe that Rudy is "worse" than Mrs. Clinton is to believe that Osama is better than Bush.

Cody

PS: Mrs. Clinton hates to be referred to as Mrs. Clinton so that's what I do.

[swiven]

While I appreciate that it's hard to stray from life-long loyalty to the Republican party (and I'm originally from Louisiana, so I know what it's like to be a Republican in hard times), I think the slate of so-called first tier candidates exposes a serious sickness in our party. Why do so many candidates wrap themselves in the mantle of Regan while standing for issues that would make the late president spin in his grave?

Assume, arguendo, that Rudy is the Republican candidate and Hillary the Democratic one. If I vote for Rudy, simply because he is the Republican nominee, then I am expressing my approval for the direction that he plans to take my party. This fills me with repugnance. I would rather flush my vote on a third party candidate in the hopes that a loss will turn the Republican party in a direction closer to my political views. Having an (R) after the name of the the liberal president from New York is not worth giving my approval, however tacit, to the direction Rudy's presidency will take my party.

[Renegade]

Assume, arguendo, that Rudy is the Republican candidate and Hillary the Democratic one. If I vote for Rudy, simply because he is the Republican nominee, then I am expressing my approval for the direction that he plans to take my party. This fills me with repugnance. I would rather flush my vote on a third party candidate in the hopes that a loss will turn the Republican party in a direction closer to my political views. Having an (R) after the name of the the liberal president from New York is not worth giving my approval, however tacit, to the direction Rudy's presidency will take my party.

The sad part is we did that in 1992, lost, and instead of getting the message, they continue to put up weak candidates. It also does not help that Iowa and New Hampshire will essentially determine the nominee. Imagine how different things would be if Texas was the first primary state.

[boomerang]

To believe that Rudy is "worse" than Mrs. Clinton is to believe

the Canadian dollar is worth more than the US Dollar.

[frankie_the_yankee]

If it turns into a Rudy vs Clinton race, I honestly think I will probably stay home on election day.

So you're voting for Hillary then. OK. Check out my analysis and guess what kind of judges she is likely to appoint, and how they might vote on 2A issues.

Then get ready for the feds to pry your guns from your cold, dead, fingers.

I would rather flush my vote on a third party candidate in the hopes that a loss will turn the Republican party in a direction closer to my political views. Having an (R) after the name of the the liberal president from New York is not worth giving my approval, however tacit, to the direction Rudy's presidency will take my party.

Hey, as long as you're happy with Hillary appointing half the federal judiciary, I say go for it.

But when they pry your guns from your cold, dead, fingers, don't say I didn't warn you.

[KBCraig]

If it turns into a Rudy vs Clinton race, I honestly think I will probably stay home on election day.

So you're voting for Hillary then. OK. Check out my analysis and guess what kind of judges she is likely to appoint, and how they might vote on 2A issues.

Your analysis is flawed, because it presumes that appointees by Giuliani(R) would rule the same as those by Bush(R), Bush(R) and Reagan(R), merely because they all have "(R)" behind their names. You have no basis to assume that, given Giuliani's record as being anti-gun and anti-individual rights

Hey, as long as you're happy with Hillary appointing half the federal judiciary, I say go for it.

As long as you don't mind the lesser of two evils still being evil, then go for it: support evil.

[KBCraig]

It seems EVERY SINGLE STANCE he takes on an issue he magically took that stance because of 9/11.

Have you noticed the similarity between Giuliani and Kerry? Kerry started every answer, even if it was about the price of corn in Iowa, with, "When I was commanding a Swift boat in Vietnam... "

Rudy starts every answer with, "When I was mayor of New York City on 9/11... "