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Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:58 am
by magillapd
I decided to share a story from my last trip to the gun range. I dry fired a loaded gun and just like it's designed to...it went boom :banghead:

Here's what happened. When I was home preparing to go, I packed up my range bag with the guns I was going to be shooting as well as the ammo and mags. I took my EDC G19 out of my IWB holster, dropped the mag and unloaded the chambered gold dot. I checked to make sure it was clear, and dry fired it. No problem. Then, I made made my first mistake. I put the loaded mag back into the gun thinking to myself I'd just take it out at the range (I always leave that mag loaded so I have it in the gun for the ride home)

When I got to the range and got all set up and pushed the target out to the 21' mark. I decided that I wanted to dry fire a dozen or so times before I started shooting. I pulled G19 out of range bag then racked the slide back to reset the trigger. I pointed the gun down range (thank God that I have this driven into my brain! :rules: ) and pulled the trigger..... :fire :eek6 off went one of my gold dots. Startled the hell out of me....but I instantly knew what just happened :oops:

I dropped mag, and cleared chamber, then took a step back. I tried to go forward with the dry firing but each time I flinched so bad that if I had another round chambered it probably would have skimmed the bottom of the target! Sheesh. I started using the tactical breathing I had just learned about (thanks Dave Grossman) to calm down, then proceeded with my dry firing.

My lesson from this is NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER put a loaded mag into any gun that I'm putting into my range bag. I always have a carry gun on my person when I'm at the range, this time was my G23, so the need to have a gun at the almost ready isn't there. From now on I'll just put the loaded mag into the front zipper part of my bag with the other empty mags.

So there's my story so that others may learn.

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:01 pm
by jbarn
Another good rule to follow is to always clear the gun each time you handle it.

Very good of you to post here. A reminder for us all.

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:25 pm
by Dan20703
jbarn wrote:Another good rule to follow is to always clear the gun each time you handle it.

Very good of you to post here. A reminder for us all.
:iagree: This is my SOP

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:43 pm
by Jumping Frog
When discussing the 1st Rule (All Guns Are Always Loaded), Jeff Cooper went on to explain. The only exception to Rule One is when we have personally unloaded the gun and verified the chamber is empty with no magazine in the gun. At that point, we are dealing with an unloaded gun.

The moment we put the gun down out of our hands, Rule One applies again and it is a loaded gun. If we pick the gun back up, we need to verify no magazine and clear chamber all over again.

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:15 pm
by Abraham
Thanks for the reminder.

All of us make mistakes, even, (drum roll please) me.

Before leaving to shoot my AR today I found myself yanking the charging handle and looking at the chamber, checking it was on safe, etc. while preparing to go to the point my weisenheimer wife asked if my OCD was acting up?

When it comes to gun safety, OCD is a good thing!

(I don't have OCD, except when it comes to gun safety)

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:37 pm
by AF-Odin
To add to the "oh no, not me," I have had the rules drilled in to me since I was old enough to recognize what a gun was (and I am almost ready for my Medicare card). Have always been conscious of muzzle direction and particularly when dealing with a semi-auto, will drop the mag and clear the chamber a number of times. However, once I forgot the FINAL step of visually on physically inspecting the chamber to ensure that it REALLY is empty. I was demonstrating how to clear a .22 rifle. Worked the action 3 or 4 times with nothing coming out, pointed at a wall away from all people pulled the trigger. BANG and a .22 hole in the wall. Upon inspection, the rifle had a broken extractor. Luckily the damage was fairly minor and I was able to repair it myself. The only thing really hurt was my ego. Now, I ALWAYS physically look in the chamber and I have procured a "test" sample of a bullet proof vest that is the only thing other than something I actually intend to shoot that the muzzle is pointed at when I pull the trigger.

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:04 am
by rwilso
magillapd wrote:
I decided that I wanted to dry fire a dozen or so times before I started shooting. .

I understand dry fire practice at home but why at the range?

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:14 am
by philip964
Yep happened to me once or twice at the range with it pointed down range. Makes you a believer that the gun is always loaded.

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:34 am
by Excaliber
AF-Odin wrote:To add to the "oh no, not me," I have had the rules drilled in to me since I was old enough to recognize what a gun was (and I am almost ready for my Medicare card). Have always been conscious of muzzle direction and particularly when dealing with a semi-auto, will drop the mag and clear the chamber a number of times. However, once I forgot the FINAL step of visually on physically inspecting the chamber to ensure that it REALLY is empty. I was demonstrating how to clear a .22 rifle. Worked the action 3 or 4 times with nothing coming out, pointed at a wall away from all people pulled the trigger. BANG and a .22 hole in the wall. Upon inspection, the rifle had a broken extractor. Luckily the damage was fairly minor and I was able to repair it myself. The only thing really hurt was my ego. Now, I ALWAYS physically look in the chamber and I have procured a "test" sample of a bullet proof vest that is the only thing other than something I actually intend to shoot that the muzzle is pointed at when I pull the trigger.
I don't even trust my eyes because low lighting and dark brass can still conceal a chambered cartridge. I lock the action open and stick my finger in the chamber after visual clearance just to be sure.

I haven't found any loaded rounds with that last step yet, but it's something I do just to make sure I don't put any holes where they don't belong.

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:37 am
by J.R.@A&M
It happened to me with a bolt action .243 when I was about 12. Dad had always taught us to remove the live rounds, close the bolt, and listen for the audible "click" signalling an empty chamber, with the barrel pointed skyward. This was usually done prior to getting in the jeep. Well, one evening it turns out there was one more round in the .243 than I expected (translated... I was not paying attention to the process of emptying the magazine). An audible BOOM! signalled a loaded chamber. Fortunately that barrel was pointed skyward -- but that bullet still came down somewhere in rural Blanco County. Never again.

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:49 am
by Scott in Houston
rwilso wrote:
magillapd wrote:
I decided that I wanted to dry fire a dozen or so times before I started shooting. .

I understand dry fire practice at home but why at the range?

I do this at the range. It's good "recent" training to not flinch. Especially if it's been a while since I last visited the range.

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:19 pm
by RogueUSMC
Abraham wrote:Thanks for the reminder.

All of us make mistakes, even, (drum roll please) me.

Before leaving to shoot my AR today I found myself yanking the charging handle and looking at the chamber, checking it was on safe, etc. while preparing to go to the point my weisenheimer wife asked if my OCD was acting up?

When it comes to gun safety, OCD is a good thing!

(I don't have OCD, except when it comes to gun safety)
I have CDO...it's kinda like OCD, 'cept in alphabetical order the way it's supposed to be...

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:15 pm
by kragluver
I don't even trust my eyes because low lighting and dark brass can still conceal a chambered cartridge. I lock the action open and stick my finger in the chamber after visual clearance just to be sure.
This is excellent standard operating proceedures. I have seen recently first hand how lacquered rounds (i.e., Wolf ammo and other Russian brands) can "stick" in the chamber even after pulling the slide back.

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:20 pm
by The Marshal
At the Range, I took the .22 pistol from the Precious Wife, and thinking it was empty, pointed it at the berm (away from us) and pulled the trigger.
It wasn't.
Wow, did I feel stupid. Never Count Shots and think you are correct.

OCD is now a good thing.

Re: Dry Firing a loaded gun....not smart

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:16 pm
by cheezit
The only time I ever count shots is manual feeding a single rounds in to my .22