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Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:17 am
by rp_photo
At my last photo shoot, I put a 15 round Glock 19 magazine in the camera bag, and at one point it tumbled out when I was taking out some other equipment while the bag was on the ground.
I immediately picked it up and put it back before anyone noticed, but had anyone seen it would it have been considered a brandish?
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:28 am
by RoyGBiv
Intentional? No.
Blatant? Also no.
Peace brother.
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:40 am
by apostate
I'm not sure. What law requires magazines to be concealed?
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:45 am
by rp_photo
apostate wrote:I'm not sure. What law requires magazines to be concealed?
Perhaps none, but it could possibly "spook" someone enough to make an issue out of it. But then again, some might not even recognize what it was.
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:18 am
by Jumping Frog
apostate wrote:I'm not sure. What law requires magazines to be concealed?
Exactly. Seems to me a person could wear a double magazine pouch with 2 mags openly on their belt and still be legal.
Smart? Probably
not. Legal? I believe so.
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:26 am
by longtooth
No legal offence if a mag shows. You are in good company. Every old hand on the board has had mags on the floor somewhere at sometime. My 1st mag pouch was a cell phone case. $$$s were precious then as now. Mine went on the floor at Lowe's. Absolutely the ONLY thing you need to fret is how your photo customers would respond.
Legally NO SWEAT.!!!!!!!!
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:33 am
by rp_photo
longtooth wrote:No legal offence if a mag shows. You are in good company. Every old hand on the board has had mags on the floor somewhere at sometime. My 1st mag pouch was a cell phone case. $$$s were precious then as now. Mine went on the floor at Lowe's. Absolutely the ONLY thing you need to fret is how your photo customers would respond.
Legally NO SWEAT.!!!!!!!!
Would the same be true for loose rounds?
Say for example someone saw you filling a speed loader.
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:51 am
by RPB
rp_photo wrote:longtooth wrote:No legal offense if a mag shows. You are in good company. Every old hand on the board has had mags on the floor somewhere at sometime. My 1st mag pouch was a cell phone case. $$$s were precious then as now. Mine went on the floor at Lowe's. Absolutely the ONLY thing you need to fret is how your photo customers would respond.
Legally NO SWEAT.!!!!!!!!
Would the same be true for loose rounds?
Say for example someone saw you filling a speed loader.
Austin bullet belt doesn't use "loose" rounds ...
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With enough mags and mag carriers, I suppose one could make a "mag belt" a belt completely covered with loaded magazines ... (belt/mags/ammo open carried .... just not the handgun which must be concealed)
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:57 am
by Oldgringo
rp_photo wrote:At my last photo shoot, I put a 15 round Glock 19 magazine in the camera bag, and at one point it tumbled out when I was taking out some other equipment while the bag was on the ground.
I immediately picked it up and put it back before anyone noticed, but had anyone seen it would it have been considered a brandish?
Would anyone have even known what it was? Relax, take a deep breath.
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:10 am
by longtooth
rp_photo wrote:longtooth wrote:No legal offence if a mag shows. You are in good company. Every old hand on the board has had mags on the floor somewhere at sometime. My 1st mag pouch was a cell phone case. $$$s were precious then as now. Mine went on the floor at Lowe's. Absolutely the ONLY thing you need to fret is how your photo customers would respond.
Legally NO SWEAT.!!!!!!!!
Would the same be true for loose rounds?
Say for example someone saw you filling a speed loader.
Same for loose rounds too. Nothing illegal about loading a speed loader. Above pic is also legal by the letter of the law. Over time I have reached for change in my pocket to find a live round amongst my few pennies. Never wore a belt like above. I can see where the above belt or publicly loading a speed loader or mag either one would cause a visit along w/ Q's from & A's to LEOs in Harris, Montgomery, Travis counties.
I will say that if I saw a man publicly loading a mag, speed loader I would observe a few seconds. Criminals are not known for good form. Atire, other behavior would tell a lot. I wont recomend the Mall fountain area for the best place to load but still not illegal.
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:40 am
by MoJo
Magazine? I didn't see no stinkin' magazine. It was just some sort of camera doo dad. I wish I had a magazine to read.
Falling out of a camera bag the average Joe will think it's some sort of photo accessory.
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:53 am
by The Annoyed Man
I left a magazine and its carrier on the floor of a coffee shop. Got all the way home and discovered it missing, called the shop and told the guy "I think I might have left something....er.....unusual on the floor behind where I was sitting." He said, "I've got it. Just come and get it."
I drove right back (just a few blocks from my house) and walked up to the counter with a sheepish grin on my face. Didn't have to say anything....the guy grinned back and handed me the mag carrier with the mag in it.
That guy works in the local Apple store now. I chatted him up once when I was in there and reminded him of it. He said that a customer had found it on the floor and turned it in to him. Not more than 15 minutes had passed between when I dropped it and when I retrieved it. I don't know how many other people in there that day saw what happened or knew anything about it—I a semi-regular patron—but nobody ever gives me weird looks or anything when I walk in.
I suspect that you could probably have dropped your gun and nobody would have noticed it. It would have just registered as "stuff" from your camera bag if they saw it at all. Most people just aren't that aware.
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:13 am
by rp_photo
The Annoyed Man wrote:I suspect that you could probably have dropped your gun and nobody would have noticed it. It would have just registered as "stuff" from your camera bag if they saw it at all. Most people just aren't that aware.
And most CHL's, especially newer ones like me, tend to be hyper-aware of such things.
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:30 am
by The Annoyed Man
rp_photo wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:I suspect that you could probably have dropped your gun and nobody would have noticed it. It would have just registered as "stuff" from your camera bag if they saw it at all. Most people just aren't that aware.
And most CHL's, especially newer ones like me, tend to be hyper-aware of such things.
Yeah, you're right. I was certainly freaked out when it happened to me. I had probably had my CHL not more than 6 months when that happened to me. But as you continue to carry every day and get used to the idea of it, it becomes second nature and you sort of stop worrying about what other people think about it.....because you discover that they just don't
think about it at all. They are in Condition White.
Re: Loaded magazine briefly exposed
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:08 pm
by kragluver
At somebody's suggestion on this board, I started carrying my spare mag in an inexpensive belt knife sheath with a velcro flap. Its exposed on my belt for all to see - but you can't see that it is a magazine. Never a problem and the mag stays in place because the flap is velcro'd over the top. This works for a 1911 mag, but a double stack magazine may not fit.