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in close quarters if you push back with your palm on a
Glock slide via the front sight it will not fire...only one 16th of an inch. if it did it would fire out of battery,in close combat this could be usefull.


revolvers do not have this problem

never try this at home...

You push any SA's slide back it will do this. A revolver with an exposed hammer, you just have to block the hammer. Webbing for your thumb is a great way to do that... but it'll hurt like none other. Now a striker-fired revolver... I don't know what to do there.

mkosmo wrote:You push any SA's slide back it will do this.

Not entirely true, it only works on semi autos equipped with disconnectors. There are some out there that will fire significantly out of battery, and the Japanese had one that could be fired by pressing on a "secret spot" on the side.

It also only works momentarily.

Think of it this way. You are in a close quarters situation and your opponent has drawn a 1911 (the weapon this little saw is most often associated with) and you have the presence of mind to press back on the muzzle or front sight in order to keep it from firing. How do you then prevent the other person from moving the gun and pulling the trigger?

Trying to push back on an opponent's slide to momentarily disable his gun is like trying to jump into the dragon's mouth to momentarily put out the fire. Not recommended.

If you're close enough to do that, you're close enough to do half a dozen other things that involve getting the gun pointed away from your body and snapping the opponent's finger bones. Or stabbing him with a knife. Or plucking out his eyeballs. Or administering a swift kick to the nads. Or crushing his larynx. Etc., etc., etc. If you are close enough for physical contact, then the best defense is a good offense.

The Annoyed Man wrote:Trying to push back on an opponent's slide to momentarily disable his gun is like trying to jump into the dragon's mouth to momentarily put out the fire. Not recommended.

If you're close enough to do that, you're close enough to do half a dozen other things that involve getting the gun pointed away from your body and snapping the opponent's finger bones. Or stabbing him with a knife. Or plucking out his eyeballs. Or administering a swift kick to the nads. Or crushing his larynx. Etc., etc., etc. If you are close enough for physical contact, then the best defense is a good offense.

TAM has put this issue in proper perspective.

The most important thing to remember about muzzle contact and disconnector operation that should prevent the gun from firing while out of battery is not to allow the muzzle of your semiauto to come in contact with your attacker in a close-in confrontation because doing so may well prevent your weapon from firing when you need it most.

Excaliber wrote:

The most important thing to remember about muzzle contact and disconnector operation that should prevent the gun from firing while out of battery is not to allow the muzzle of your semiauto to come in contact with your attacker in a close-in confrontation because doing so may well prevent your weapon from firing when you need it most.

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Theres your answer guys.

Important to know!

I understand that a man can hold an alligators mouth shut, too.

Now that I think about it, it seems that one of the custom gunsmiths once made a "close quarters" 1911 with an extended dust cover and a plate around the muzzle, allowing it to be pressed directly into things without activating the disconnector. Lots of work for a very rare situation.

threoh8 wrote:I understand that a man can hold an alligators mouth shut, too.

Now that I think about it, it seems that one of the custom gunsmiths once made a "close quarters" 1911 with an extended dust cover and a plate around the muzzle, allowing it to be pressed directly into things without activating the disconnector. Lots of work for a very rare situation.

Pistols with full length recoil spring rods also have some degree of resistance to having the slide pushed out of battery if the muzzle is pressed against a hard surface. However, pressing the muzzle into a relatively soft surface (like a person) can still push the slide out of battery enough to activate the disconnector and prevent the gun from firing.

mkosmo wrote:You push any SA's slide back it will do this. A revolver with an exposed hammer, you just have to block the hammer. Webbing for your thumb is a great way to do that... but it'll hurt like none other. Now a striker-fired revolver... I don't know what to do there.

Assuming the hammer on a revolver isn't cocked, you can grip the cylinder firmly to prevent it from turning. If it can't turn, it can't fire. So even a shrouded hammer revolver isn't foolproof up close.

It just goes to show that you can train for everything only to find something new everyday.

If your going to try all those methods, dont forget bugs bunny just stick your finger in the barrel.

That only works against Mr. E. Fudd, and then only if armed with a double barreled shotgun.

jimlongley wrote:

mkosmo wrote:You push any SA's slide back it will do this.

Not entirely true, it only works on semi autos equipped with disconnectors. There are some out there that will fire significantly out of battery, and the Japanese had one that could be fired by pressing on a "secret spot" on the side.

It also only works momentarily.

Think of it this way. You are in a close quarters situation and your opponent has drawn a 1911 (the weapon this little saw is most often associated with) and you have the presence of mind to press back on the muzzle or front sight in order to keep it from firing. How do you then prevent the other person from moving the gun and pulling the trigger?

I am a bit of a WWII buff. I have a small library and a few WWII memorabilia.

That “secret spot” on the side of the Japanese pistol was a manufacturing or design defect that killed more Japanese soldiers than American soldiers. The Japanese military hated that pistol.

“I am a virtual cornucopia of useless information”-?

I had a kid try to rob me once back in 1979. He was very close to me. All I could think to do was to grab the barrel and point it away from me. I figured that as long as it was not pointed towards me, even if he fired, it wouldn't hurt me (much). Well, I didn't quite take into account that as soon as I grabbed the barrel, he would try to backstep from me and fall backwards and pull the trigger. Thanks to the adrenaline of the moment, I didn't know that the .38 even hit me. I then went down on top of him and we wrestled around a bit with me making a definite point of keeping the gun pointed some way other than towards myself. After the gun quit going "bang" and started going "click", I knew I had lucked out. It wasn't until the police pulled up to take him off that I realized that some of the blood on me was mine.