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Car Burglary in Process

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:06 pm
by keyframe
I work in downtown Plano. As of September 2007 I have carry one of my pistols to work on most days. It is concealed in the car and when I get to work, I take the gun in the office with me so it doesn't get stolen. The boss prefers that I'm armed anyway since I sometimes work late hours.

One morning I was pulling into work and I noticed a strange looking individual perched over a stomach-high railing standing and looking directly at one of my co-worker's car. I immediately felt something was not right. As I leave my vehicle, about 20-30 yards away from the individual, my gun is concealed under my shirt as I prepare to make my way to the office. I make immediate eye-contact with the guy and deliberately walk across the parking lot try my hardest to see if anyone is in his car. I knew someone was in there, but could not confirm it visually. I kept making my way towards the office, maintaining eye-contact all the way until he was at my 9 o'clock; he reciprocated. Since I wasn't 100% certain something criminal was going on, I planned to make it to the office ( another 30 yards ), and take another look out the window once I was in.

As i got in the office, I looked out the window again. Sure enough, the lookout was now with another guy about 10 yards away from the car dividing things among themselves as they readied to take off on bicycles. Then the second guy walks back to the car and starts digging through it as if he was looking for more stuff. THAT'S IT!!

I shout out what's going on to my co-worker and my boss. They take off out the front door and I immediately take off out the back ( sans pistol, as I do not have my CHL yet ). As soon as my boss and co-worker made it out the front door, the burglars jumped on their bikes and started taking off. By the time I was outside, 911 was on the phone and I was doing my best to describe their method and direction of travel as well as the burglars physical description. My co-worker and boss take off in a truck to see if they can find/catch them but the burglars cut through a park. The Plano Police station is literally across the street from our office, and their response time was almost instant.

About 6-7 cop cars came out for this particular incident, CSI was called for fingerprinting, and because of my description and my boss' visual identification, one of the burglars was caught. Unfortunately all of my co-worker's belongings were not retrieved. The bowling ball ( yes, that was the first thing these idiots dropped ) among a few other items were recovered.

My biggest "What If" was, what should I have done if I knew the burglars were burglars as I was walking to the office. I do not have my CHL yet, and I would not have shot them over stealing some replaceable property. My first instinct was to be a good witness, but I'll admit, drawing down on them and holding them for the cops did cross my mind if I would have seen what they were up to ( not that I would have done it ).

Another after-thought I had was the fact that I didn't even think that they might have had guns and shot at me as I chased them on foot. Looking back, chasing them, although I was a ways away, was probably not the smartest idea.

What would you have done if you would have been in that situation?

Re: Car Burglary in Process

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:16 am
by seamusTX
In these situations you have to think on your feet. As far as I am concerned, you did well. You acted, but you did not put yourself in unnecessary danger.

The Legislature in its infinite wisdom :roll: made burglary of a motor vehicle a misdemeanor, so it is not grounds for a citizen arrest. Neither is theft during daylight hours a justification for the use of deadly force. Holding two people is risky for anyone.

I will add that I don't own any inanimate object worth risking my life over. If I did, it would be in a bank vault and insured.

BTW, two mopes now have a grudge against you and know where you work. Probably they just consider being arrested a cost of doing business, but watch your six and good luck.

- Jim

Re: Car Burglary in Process

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:42 am
by LaserTex
Call 911 while walking across the parking lot to report a suspicious person eyeing cars. Convey what you are seeing, what you feel and let the police handle it. Be a witness.

Doug :txflag:

Re: Car Burglary in Process

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:56 am
by Purplehood
Depending on how sure I could have gotten away with it, I MIGHT have tried the following:

Stood near the front-door of my employment, got on the the phone after rather obviously taking pics with my cell-phone. Of course, that would probably have precluded being able to get my boss and co-workers in on the game like you were able. But I am generally the kind of guy that doesn't count on the good will and aid of others, and like to do things up-front (be they right or be they wrong).

Re: Car Burglary in Process

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:11 pm
by keyframe
seamusTX wrote:In these situations you have to think on your feet. As far as I am concerned, you did well. You acted, but you did not put yourself in unnecessary danger.

The Legislature in its infinite wisdom :roll: made burglary of a motor vehicle a misdemeanor, so it is not grounds for a citizen arrest. Neither is theft during daylight hours a justification for the use of deadly force. Holding two people is risky for anyone.

I will add that I don't own any inanimate object worth risking my life over. If I did, it would be in a bank vault and insured.

BTW, two mopes now have a grudge against you and know where you work. Probably they just consider being arrested a cost of doing business, but watch your six and good luck.

- Jim
I agree with not risking my life over inanimate objects.

I feel the guys were more concerned on committing the crime and not identifying me. If they did, it was only the one guy. I'm not concerned, and I'm always aware. Thanks for the response.

Re: Car Burglary in Process

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:12 pm
by keyframe
btw, I am taking my CHL class in a couple of weeks! :)

Re: Car Burglary in Process

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:23 pm
by Rex B
+1 on on the quick 911 call.

I'd stop in my tracks at a safe distance,
Snap an obvious phone pic of them, then dial 911 so they see me doing it.
Most would drop everything and beat feet at that point.
If they look threatening, you should be within distance of the office.

Re: Car Burglary in Process

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:11 pm
by bryang
keyframe wrote:btw, I am taking my CHL class in a couple of weeks! :)
Congratulations! I am very glad to hear you are getting your CHL. By the way, I think you did well, also! :tiphat:

-geo

Re: Car Burglary in Process

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:41 pm
by NcongruNt
Something to keep in mind for future reference...

If something doesn't seem right, it probably isn't. If there are strange folks hanging round your work parking lot and you're getting spidey-sense feelings about it, call 911 immediately and report a suspicious person. I was told by the operator that a suspicious person report IS a 911 call the first time I did it (I had called 311), so make sure it's 911 you call.

This was also a work parking lot situation, and was solicited for sexual favors in exchange for a "ride" by 2 people on my way out to get lunch at around midnight (was working graveyard shift). I told them I was just going down the street and couldn't help them. Ordinarily, just an annoying situation, but when I returned they appeared to be gone. I finished parking, and saw the female component of the duo loitering around the back area of my van. I got out and kept my senses on high alert and kept a distance. The male portion of the duo was waiting at a distance in a darkened alleyway area, and asked me to go over there. I declined and quickly went inside, calling the police (as mentioned above). APD arrived a few minutes later, and they couple was still loitering, but had moved across the street, and were detained. I went outside after a few minutes and introduced myself to one of the officers when he noticed me, and told him what had happened.

They ended up calling supervisors for clarification on the Penal Code, and hauled him off for posession of a dangerous drug, posession of drug paraphenalia, and promotion of prostitution. The woman (who from my observations appeared to be mentally handicapped) wasn't arrested.

I no longer work there, which is probably a good thing. While there, everyone's car had gotten broken into at some point (including mine), and the company (headquartered in Chicago) didn't seem to particularly care that its employess were the victims of crime at the office. The only actions ever made were to improve the reliability of the surveillance cameras, which had a net influence of nothing on the crimes happening there.

Good on you for paying attention. Don't be afraid to call the cops as soon as possible when there are suspicious people around.