CHL and the house call..

[carlson1]

I am always a little taken aback when a CHLer shows fear of legally armed peoples.

[phddan]

I don't understand the hand-wringing.
If you don't want CHLers to carry in your house, than post the 30.06 sign, or give them a verbal before they enter.

Simple

Dan

[Liberty]

I think we are talking specifically about a service person. If I see it, I would take that as a sign of non professionalism or perhaps even a safety issue. I instruct him to leave and request a new service person at that point. The very next steps are his out the door.n I think the official passing of Castle Doctrine reaffirms the sacredness of a man's home..

My $.02

It is absolutely your right. but I don't think if a serviceman flashes that it is necessarily unprofessional. Sometimes while working one is put into unusual postures or positions. I would feel more comfortable though if i found out that a service worker has a CHL because that suggest that he isn't a felon, or drug addict.

Maybe Texas isn't ready for it yet, But I I would love to see an ad that says "All our Installers are CHL Qualified!" This would be a wonderful way certifying the character of the personnel. and we could be assured that we were not letting criminals into our homes.

[pbandjelly]

IMHO carrying into someones home who is a customer is just bad business. I would think most businesses that sent out repair reps ECT... would have a no gun policy in effect for entering a customers home. I don't care about them leaving it in the vehicle, but I don't want someone I don't know entering my home with a loaded gun. I have no idea what kind of training that person has, and a AD in my home from someone performing a service that I am paying for is going to amount to a huge lawsuit on someone.

Family or friends that I know is one thing, a person performing a service is quite another animal all together. I can't imagine a business allowing thier employees to go armed into a private citizens home to perform work. IMHO it is not a good idea.

this thread?

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[BrassMonkey]

Yup

[Right2Carry]

IMHO carrying into someones home who is a customer is just bad business. I would think most businesses that sent out repair reps ECT... would have a no gun policy in effect for entering a customers home. I don't care about them leaving it in the vehicle, but I don't want someone I don't know entering my home with a loaded gun. I have no idea what kind of training that person has, and a AD in my home from someone performing a service that I am paying for is going to amount to a huge lawsuit on someone.

Family or friends that I know is one thing, a person performing a service is quite another animal all together. I can't imagine a business allowing thier employees to go armed into a private citizens home to perform work. IMHO it is not a good idea.

this thread?

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You brought it up, not me. If you don't like beating a dead horse than I would suggest you seek professional help with your addiction.

[Right2Carry]

I think we are talking specifically about a service person. If I see it, I would take that as a sign of non professionalism or perhaps even a safety issue. I instruct him to leave and request a new service person at that point. The very next steps are his out the door.n I think the official passing of Castle Doctrine reaffirms the sacredness of a man's home..

My $.02

It is absolutely your right. but I don't think if a serviceman flashes that it is necessarily unprofessional. Sometimes while working one is put into unusual postures or positions. I would feel more comfortable though if i found out that a service worker has a CHL because that suggest that he isn't a felon, or drug addict.

Maybe Texas isn't ready for it yet, But I I would love to see an ad that says "All our Installers are CHL Qualified!" This would be a wonderful way certifying the character of the personnel. and we could be assured that we were not letting criminals into our homes.

The problem here is that the service person can tell you he is a CHL holder and he has no requirement to prove to you that he is or isn't. A CHL holder is only required to show his ID to a LEO not joe blow citizen.

It is also my experiance that most Companies forbid the carrying of firearms in Company Vehicles. Would you trust someone who has already decided to violate company policy? Is this person trustworthy? If he flashes you have no way in knowing that he is a legit CHL holder.

The issue here IMHO has nothing to do with trusting a fellow CHL holder, but is the guy actually a CHL holder. As so many have posted on here that they would never divulge to Joe Blow Citizen whether they have a CHL if asked or stopped in a store by a security person, I find it hard to believe they would show their CHL to a homeowner who requests it to prove they are legal. Anyone can say they have a CHL in your home.

[Venus Pax]

I would be very uncomfortable to see a service worker's (accidentally flashed) gun for the reasons mentioned above: I do not know this person and do not know whether he/she is a CHL or is some type of violent offender with an illegally-accessed gun.

I can understand, however, your desire to have it with you. If you take it in a house, just make sure it's covered and the home occupants don't know it's there.

Invited guests are a different story. If I invite a person into my home, I have some degree of trust in that person. Most of our friends are from our church or another local church; if they have evil intentions, they're hiding it well. A few in particular have a CHL, so if they accidentally flashed, I wouldn't be bothered at all because I know their status.

As for children getting ahold of one, if it's on a person's body, kids aren't going to access it w/o the person knowing.

[BrassMonkey]

My son loves the local PD. They have all kinds of cool stuff on their belt. My small town has lots of public events where everyone is in close proximity to one another. The cops are right there eating BBQ with us, not sitting at a ticket counter being security guards, ya know?

He has grabbed at their sidearm a couple of times(All you can do is keep correcting him) Luckily, those were in retention duty holsters. Most of the CCW rigs I have seen are NOT retention holsters. Or in other words, in case I am using the wrong terminology, they do nto have active retention mechanisms, thumbreak, internal release such as the newer sig LE holsters.

[Venus Pax]

He has grabbed at their sidearm a couple of times(All you can do is keep correcting him) Luckily, those were in retention duty holsters. Most of the CCW rigs I have seen are NOT retention holsters. Or in other words, in case I am using the wrong terminology, they do nto have active retention mechanisms, thumbreak, internal release such as the newer sig LE holsters.

His legs need to be popped.

[BrassMonkey]

When appropriate... In both instances thus far, both the officer and I took him aside and had a conversation about guns and that they are only to be used by adults unless an adult says so right then and there. The guys said it happens all the time.

[ELB]

From the service person's point of view - yes I would continue carrying. If you have a CHL and otherwise carry a handgun, then obviously you think there might be a situation in which you will need it -- you do not get to choose in advance when that situation will occur. (Heck, especially if you are calling on people you have no idea who they are.) Keep it well concealed; you may have to compromise a bit and get a smaller gun that will let you do so. If you expose it somehow, expect a lot of grief, so don't expose it. If your company has a policy against it, then you will have to decide whether you will follow it or not. Me, I don't think following company policy is one of the 10 commandments, but you will have to decide for yourself.

As for people, especially CHL holders, who don't want CHL holders carrying in your home, secretly or otherwise -- frankly I do not understand it. Worrying about ADs or your kids somehow getting his gun or whatever are the same type of arguments anti-self-defense people used to argue against the CHL law in the first place. It is grasping at straws to make an unreasonable idea seem reasonable. I see this in the same category as businesses that put up the 30.06 sign -- you are afraid of the good guys and want to disarm them, but you will let the bad guys can come in armed because they will not give a flip for your wishes or your castle or anything else.

elb

[Right2Carry]

I would be very uncomfortable to see a service worker's (accidentally flashed) gun for the reasons mentioned above: I do not know this person and do not know whether he/she is a CHL or is some type of violent offender with an illegally-accessed gun.

I can understand, however, your desire to have it with you. If you take it in a house, just make sure it's covered and the home occupants don't know it's there.

Invited guests are a different story. If I invite a person into my home, I have some degree of trust in that person. Most of our friends are from our church or another local church; if they have evil intentions, they're hiding it well. A few in particular have a CHL, so if they accidentally flashed, I wouldn't be bothered at all because I know their status.

As for children getting ahold of one, if it's on a person's body, kids aren't going to access it w/o the person knowing.

I agree a invited guess is a whole different ball game than a person performing a service. I would never have any questions for anyone I invited into my home as a guest, in fact I hope they are all carrying since I know and trust those types of person and have some idea of there firearms training.

The Kid scenario is not so much my son grabbing a gun ( he knows better) but of the service persons ability to keep the gun in its place at all times.

[iflyabeech]

Your kid grabbed an cops gun on more than one occasion and you just had a talk....
I would have had a red rear end and a long stay with my nose in the corner. And when I got my nose out of the corner, it would have been turn over the flower beds for a week duty. . . .

You had better stop that pretty quick!

[BrassMonkey]

Just because some guy has a CHL, does nt omean he knows how to maintain his equipment. Or how to retain his equipment so it does not land on a tile floor, or someone's foot. Or God forbid, an AD. Just because someone has a CHL does nto mean that I amnot gonna have a hell of a time getting my Homeowners Insurance to pay out on any injuries sustained to either the service person or my family and I.

Do not lump me in with the Anti's. I own plenty of weapons and shoot probably more then most of the people on this board as of late. We just got back from India again where we shot no less then 2 hours a day with the Indian army on my off time. We got to shoot some big stuff too, like stuff mounted on helisopters :-)

Anyway, an Anti argument is that guns kill people, my argument is, that the guy working on my sink may just be the 1 in whatever idiot whose gun goes off accidentally. I prefer not to take the chance. The beautiful part about being my home, and being in America is that it takes only one word being spoken, "Leave" and guess what, I do not have to say anymore than that. No explanation, no have a nice day. Nothing.