another Plaxico type event

[davidtx]

I haven't seen this one posted here. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... nt31m.html

Its hard to believe that a CHL holder could be this dumb.

The article uses an anatomically correct term to describe where this guy shot himself. Apologies if this violates forum rules.

[karl]

By shooting himself in the crotch he hurts the gun community image slightly and thins the pool of his idiotic string of genes. Since no one else was hurt I call this a win for mankind. Darwin has a smile on his face.

[seamusTX]

And the weapon was [drumroll please] ... a Glock 30.

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailywee ... himsel.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In Washington state, the only requirements for getting a permit are filling out some forms and having a clean background check. No testing or training.

Fortunately, this specimen injured only himself.

- Jim

[suthdj]

This guy has some good comments about an other comment about this not being the "wild west".

John Hardin says:
Todd:

Violent crime rates in "the wild west" were lower than violent crime rates in the cities are today.

In the book "Frontier Violence: Another Look", author W. Eugene Hollon states "In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year."

The rate of homicide in Seattle in 2006 was 5.1 per 100,000 according to http://seattle.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He also states "In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870."

Let's bring back the "wild west", it would be safer!

A violent crime can happen anywhere, at any time, to anyone. I'm sure the Petit family felt perfectly safe in their home in their nice neighborhood. I'm sure everybody in Luby's Cafeteria on Oct. 16, 1991 didn't think anything remarkable was going to happen that day.

I know the probability of my personally becoming a victim of a violent crime is very low. But I also recognize that probability is not zero. I choose to be prepared for that unlikely eventuality, for the same reason I always wear my seatbelt when I'm in a car, and carry a fire extinguisher in my car, and have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen and bedroom. Does that make me delusional? Or prudent?

While I think the comments by SA and Todd only serve to highlight their own delusions (or possibly their prejudices), I do join you in mocking this guy for not using a holster and suffering the consequences.

[Crossfire]

Perhaps there should be an intelligence test requirement before you can purchase a Glock.

You have to score at least as high as the model number.

[The Annoyed Man]

I've actually seen several injuries like this. You work long enough in an ER which serves a high proportion of "troubled youths," and you will eventually see this type of injury. And the stories they tell about how such a thing could happen are hilarious. One kid told me that he was just laying there on his back in a park, minding his own business, when "Essé walks up to me and bends over like this [mimics standing person stooping over, holding roscoe parallel to the ground] and shot me, man!" Never mind that there was no entrance hole in his pants, and the front of his boxers were nearly incinerated from powder burns. Essé would have had to shoot him through the top of his head to get the trajectory the bullet took through the top and left angles of his family triangle.

I have absolutely no pity for someone, licensed to carry or not, who shoots himself that way. I hope it hurts. Stupidity should be painful.

[seamusTX]

Those of us who mostly couldn't care less about Seattle tend to think of it as a haven for would-be hippies who dress in natural fabrics and ugly shoes and drink way too much overpriced coffee. Which it is.

But it is also a festering cesspool of gang activity and thuggish crime. Just Google "Seattle shooting" and ignore the articles about basketball and movies.

IOW, thinking that one does not need to plan for self defense there is delusional.

- Jim

[Oldgringo]

Those of us who mostly couldn't care less about Seattle tend to think of it as a haven for would-be hippies who dress in natural fabrics and ugly shoes and drink way too much overpriced coffee. Which it is.

But it is also a festering cesspool of gang activity and thuggish crime. Just Google "Seattle shooting" and ignore the articles about basketball and movies.

IOW, thinking that one does not need to plan for self defense there is delusional.

- Jim

I think this is probably true all along the left coast. Sadly though, our Texas CHL's are not recognized in these cesspools...in the event anyone is planning a visit to these otherwise scenic regions.

[carlson1]

And the weapon was [drumroll please] ... a Glock 30.

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailywee ... himsel.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In Washington state, the only requirements for getting a permit are filling out some forms and having a clean background check. No testing or training.
- Jim

It should not even be that much to go through to be able to exercise your rights.

[The Annoyed Man]

Those of us who mostly couldn't care less about Seattle tend to think of it as a haven for would-be hippies who dress in natural fabrics and ugly shoes and drink way too much overpriced coffee. Which it is.

But it is also a festering cesspool of gang activity and thuggish crime. Just Google "Seattle shooting" and ignore the articles about basketball and movies.

IOW, thinking that one does not need to plan for self defense there is delusional.

- Jim

I think this is probably true all along the left coast. Sadly though, our Texas CHL's are not recognized in these cesspools...in the event anyone is planning a visit to these otherwise scenic regions.

Aaaahhh, but my Utah CFP is recognized in Seattle, at least.

[seamusTX]

It should not even be that much to go through to be able to exercise your rights.

But it is. And every time some moron exercises his "right" to mutilate himself and endanger innocent people in public, the pressure mounts to "do something about it."

I'm surprised that the Washington legislature has held out this long. The majority of people will gladly give away a right that they don't appreciate if they think, even wrongly, that it will improve their safely.

- Jim

[carlson1]

That is exactly how we are loosing our rights is in the name of "safety."

It would not be SAFE if everyone is not wearing their seatbelts.
It would not be SAFE if everyone is wearing a handgun.

If you want to keep a right, then exercise that right, and fight for that right.

[jester]

During the same time, how many people were killed or injured by motor vehicles?

[seamusTX]

That argument doesn't convince anyone who needs convincing.

People take the risks of driving for granted.

Furthermore, the fact that X is a problem does not make Y cease to be a problem. More people are killed by their own voluntary acts like smoking, alcoholism, drug abuse, and overeating than all accidents combined. Each problem has to be addressed separately and appropriately.

Most people, including casual shooters and hunters, seem to think of firearms as uniquely dangerous and requiring some kind of control. Even some active members of this forum have conniptions when they think they see someone "printing" or someone carrying a weapon who is not obviously a LEO.

The battle to form public opinion is contested. We have made quite a bit of headway in recent years, but every incident like this is a setback.

- Jim

[cougartex]