No More Shipping Firearms

[Captain Matt]

Yeah, there is. Those "poo-poo heads" in Congress really did think of everything.

Everything except the constitution. I don't see the power to regulate the transportation of private property within a state listed anywhere as a power delegated to the federal government.

[seamusTX]

Everything that FedEx ships goes through Memphis, Tennessee, which means that it is technically in interstate commerce.

I don't know about UPS.

I do not like the way these issues are dealt with, but they have held up under court challenges for many years.

Lone Star Overnight is not part of this discussion, as they do not accept firearms for shipment. The ninnies.

- Jim

[Rockrz]

Ah ha! Looks like Congress overlooked something after all...

[Mike1951]

I posted in another thread about whether UPS and Fedex are reconsidering their regulations.

This stems from some online gun dealers now shipping handguns via 2 or 3 day service, some UPS and some Fedex.

I just bought a Makarov from a seller in Indiana. His initial inquiry at Fedex resulted in a $51 quote for shipping the pistol.

Two hours later he got a call at home from the same Fedex rep, telling him that she was wrong and handguns could now ship 3 day.

Revised charges: $21

[Rockrz]

Yeah, there is. Those "poo-poo heads" in Congress really did think of everything.

Everything except the constitution.

Typical congressman coming back from
getting his palm greased up real good...

[carlson1]

Has anyone used DHL?

[Rockrz]

They aren't doing any domestic shipping anymore in the US, except for a few commercial customers

Apparently, Bush & Cheney caused their company to get hit hard and have to shut down most of their US opertions...
At least that's what the libs are sayin 'bout it

[KaiserB]

Something I do not understand is how Ruger, Wilson, and others can mail it directly back to us who are not FFL's and out of State. Anyone have an answer?

Speaking of this... i shipped a revolver to S&W a few weeks ago... $67 on my end for FedEx and insurance. S&W shipped it back UPS, with confirmed delivery for $14.

It is absolutely nuts how the cost for me to ship is 4-5 times what an FFL or gunsmith pays.

[Rockrz]

They probably have a special commercial account with UPS where they were
given special pricing due to their high volume so FedEx won't get the account.

Pretty common...

I'm sure if you start shipping several thousand boxes per month,
they could set you up with a similar pricing plan

[KaiserB]

They probably have a special commercial account with UPS where they were
given special pricing due to their high volume so FedEx won't get the account.

Pretty common...

I'm sure if you start shipping several thousand boxes per month,
they could set you up with a similar pricing plan

I am sure they can, but recently I shipped a 10# 1700 page report to someone using Fed Ex Next day delivery, and it cost me less than $30. Had I said, it contains a firearm, the cost would have doubled...that is the point, not the volume, but the dual tier pricing based on content. UPS and FEDEx are charging a "dangerous materials" charge to the non FFL, with a greatly reduced "dangerous materials" charge for an FFL.

[Rockrz]

Well, then somebody may be playing some pricing games...
Which is also common for large companies.

Most of them have the attitiude that we have no choice
but to use their services. Hopefully there is competition
that helps keeps pricing reasonable.

[iflyabeech]

Everything that FedEx ships goes through Memphis, Tennessee, which means that it is technically in interstate commerce.

I don't know about UPS.

I do not like the way these issues are dealt with, but they have held up under court challenges for many years.

Lone Star Overnight is not part of this discussion, as they do not accept firearms for shipment. The ninnies.

- Jim

Jim, you might want to keep LSO in the discussion and check your research. I work for LSO and routinely carry firearms for shipment. Also easy on the namecalling! :) haha j/k

We are a great Texas based company and would love all of your business, including firearms. Our service is comparable to if not better than the big guys!

Feel free to PM with any questions.

I am not sure where you gathered this information, but if in the document you posted on page 1,you were referring to the following statement, you neglected to view the exceptions! :)

PROHIBITED ITEMS FOR SHIPMENT
Lone Star Overnight does not accept for transportation certain specific commodities, including but
not limited to the following:
a. Fireworks.
b. Firearms and/or ammunition. (1)
c. Alcoholic beverages. (2)
d. Tobacco products. (3)
e. Perishables.
f. Meat, poultry, fish.
g. Money, cash, currency, paper money, negotiable instruments, which represent cash like bonds,
cash letters and endorsed stocks.
h. Live animals to include birds, fish, insects and reptiles. Seafood fit for human consumption is not
prohibited but must follow packaging guidelines.
i. Human corpses, human organs or body parts, cremated or disinterred human remains.
j. Animal carcasses. (This restriction does not apply to properly packages meat, poultry or fish
products intended for human consumption. Parts intended for taxidermy may be accepted if
properly packed).
k. Suspected infectious materials.
l. Shipments that may require special license for transportation or that may cause damage or harm to
personnel, equipment or other shipments.
m. Any item whose transportation is prohibited by law, statute or regulation, for any reason, in a state
where it is intended to be transported.
n. Any item which requires LSO to obtain a local, state or federal license for its transportation.
o. Wet, leaking or odorous packages.
Exceptions:
(1) Firearms (Shipper is responsible for compliance to local, state and federal laws). The
packaging must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify as containing a firearm. Drop box
services are prohibited on shipments containing firearms.
a. Licensee to licensee
b. Licensee to consumer
c. Consumer to licensee
(2) Alcoholic beverages (Shipper is responsible for compliance to local, state and federal laws).
Special mode of packaging in a three layered, leak proof transport system with absorbent
material consistent with quantity of liquid being shipped, is required
a. Licensee to licensee (beer, wine and spirits)
b. Licensee to consumer (wine only)
(3) Tobacco products (Shipper is responsible for compliance to local, state and federal laws).
a. Licensee to dealer
b. Distributor to licensee.

[seamusTX]

I did not notice the exceptions, and from what I can tell they were in that document since January 2008. I'm sorry about that.

Is it correct that Lone Star does not ship between non-licensees, even in-state?

- Jim

[03Lightningrocks]

Everything that FedEx ships goes through Memphis, Tennessee, which means that it is technically in interstate commerce.

I don't know about UPS.

I do not like the way these issues are dealt with, but they have held up under court challenges for many years.

Lone Star Overnight is not part of this discussion, as they do not accept firearms for shipment. The ninnies.

- Jim

Jim, you might want to keep LSO in the discussion and check your research. I work for LSO and routinely carry firearms for shipment. Also easy on the namecalling! :) haha j/k

We are a great Texas based company and would love all of your business, including firearms. Our service is comparable to if not better than the big guys!

Feel free to PM with any questions.

I am not sure where you gathered this information, but if in the document you posted on page 1,you were referring to the following statement, you neglected to view the exceptions! :)

PROHIBITED ITEMS FOR SHIPMENT
Lone Star Overnight does not accept for transportation certain specific commodities, including but
not limited to the following:
a. Fireworks.
b. Firearms and/or ammunition. (1)
c. Alcoholic beverages. (2)
d. Tobacco products. (3)
e. Perishables.
f. Meat, poultry, fish.
g. Money, cash, currency, paper money, negotiable instruments, which represent cash like bonds,
cash letters and endorsed stocks.
h. Live animals to include birds, fish, insects and reptiles. Seafood fit for human consumption is not
prohibited but must follow packaging guidelines.
i. Human corpses, human organs or body parts, cremated or disinterred human remains.
j. Animal carcasses. (This restriction does not apply to properly packages meat, poultry or fish
products intended for human consumption. Parts intended for taxidermy may be accepted if
properly packed).
k. Suspected infectious materials.
l. Shipments that may require special license for transportation or that may cause damage or harm to
personnel, equipment or other shipments.
m. Any item whose transportation is prohibited by law, statute or regulation, for any reason, in a state
where it is intended to be transported.
n. Any item which requires LSO to obtain a local, state or federal license for its transportation.
o. Wet, leaking or odorous packages.
Exceptions:
(1) Firearms (Shipper is responsible for compliance to local, state and federal laws). The
packaging must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify as containing a firearm. Drop box
services are prohibited on shipments containing firearms.
a. Licensee to licensee
b. Licensee to consumer
c. Consumer to licensee
(2) Alcoholic beverages (Shipper is responsible for compliance to local, state and federal laws).
Special mode of packaging in a three layered, leak proof transport system with absorbent
material consistent with quantity of liquid being shipped, is required
a. Licensee to licensee (beer, wine and spirits)
b. Licensee to consumer (wine only)
(3) Tobacco products (Shipper is responsible for compliance to local, state and federal laws).
a. Licensee to dealer
b. Distributor to licensee.

Well I'll be hanged!!!! I admit to not reading the exceptions. Next time I ship a hand gun I will be calling on you guys.

[iflyabeech]

I did not notice the exceptions, and from what I can tell they were in that document since January 2008. I'm sorry about that.

Is it correct that Lone Star does not ship between non-licensees, even in-state?

- Jim

I will call some folks tomorrow and get back to you. I am pretty sure we ship person to person, but let me check as it doesn't say so in that document. It does however say in compliance with state, federal and local laws. I really do not see us turning away legal business.

I deal with our HAZMAT and I do know that if you ship ammo, it must conform be in limited quantities and be shipped in accordance with Federal HAZMAT ORM-D consumer commodity regulations, and it must go via ground service, not air, due to these regs.

This thread has the basic gist of ammo shipping!
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