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I think KD5NRH was being somewhat "tongue in cheek".Snake Doctor wrote:...dumb.KD5NRH wrote:I'd have been "playing with my phone" (audio/video recording, with actually fairly good quality) after his first bit of mouthing off, and I'd probably have had a slight wardrobe malfunction when he said the above.
He was verbally threatened with deadly force back at the gas station. If someone threatened me whom I believed had a gun and was chasing me, I'd make it as difficult as possible for him to make good on that threat. As was also mentioned, he had specific training in this kind of driving, so I have no problem with his utilization of those skills in his effort to escape. I also doubt that he was doing so with abandon for the safety of other drivers.Russell wrote: Also, I don't know if I would have made all of those stunt driver moves you made to attempt to get away, as was mentioned above you could have gotten into an accident that would have made your situation exponentially worse. If he's not ramming you from behind I would have just driven at a normal pace and called the police on my cell phone.
Funny you mention this. I Was talking to an old friend of mine today, and he basically said that I tend to "stare people down" when entering an area. I've always chalked it up to just being aware of my surroundings, but he said it tends to freak people out. Also apparently, my grooming and dress (Shaved head, and sunglasses, nice shirts and slacks) make me look like "A Mafia Hitman"The Annoyed Man wrote: nitrogen, I think you did the right thing by skedaddling like you did, but I would offer a couple of comments on your own situation...
1) Unless you are in a job in which the risk of exposure to aggressive jerks is higher than normal, say LEO or Paramedic, or something like that, it is NOT normal to frequently get challenged by aggressive jerks. So I think you need to talk to some of your closer friends, and ask them, "Be honest with me, do I seem to ask for trouble?" It may well be that they see something in you that you either can't, or won't see in yourself, and their input might be instructive. But be prepared to hear something that you're not going to like hearing, and also be honest enough to deal with it appropriately if you do.
Thats probably caused by allergies and having a full nose many times. 
That's not kosher, but you knew that already.nitrogen wrote:... Shaved head ...
nitrogen, just FYI, in gang circles, staring someone down is called "mad-dogging," and it is considered a challenge and a legitimate incitement to violence. There are parts of L.A. (where I'm from) that mad-dogging will get you killed fast. If the bonehead that gave you such a bad time the other night was a gangbanger, he might have misinterpreted your stare as "mad-dogging." Perhaps, particularly since you said you usually wear sunglasses, you might practice averting your gaze a bit when you are sizing up an area, and observing from your peripheral vision. The guy being observed is probably less likely to take it as directed at him.nitrogen wrote:Funny you mention this. I Was talking to an old friend of mine today, and he basically said that I tend to "stare people down" when entering an area. I've always chalked it up to just being aware of my surroundings, but he said it tends to freak people out.The Annoyed Man wrote: nitrogen, I think you did the right thing by skedaddling like you did, but I would offer a couple of comments on your own situation...
1) Unless you are in a job in which the risk of exposure to aggressive jerks is higher than normal, say LEO or Paramedic, or something like that, it is NOT normal to frequently get challenged by aggressive jerks. So I think you need to talk to some of your closer friends, and ask them, "Be honest with me, do I seem to ask for trouble?" It may well be that they see something in you that you either can't, or won't see in yourself, and their input might be instructive. But be prepared to hear something that you're not going to like hearing, and also be honest enough to deal with it appropriately if you do.
People have told me the same thing, but I think it's more of a lower-level street enforcer look in my case. I guess I kinda see it:nitrogen wrote:Also apparently, my grooming and dress (Shaved head, and sunglasses, nice shirts and slacks) make me look like "A Mafia Hitman"
I''m not quite sure what to do about that.
Well said. From a pre-fight tactics standpoint, it might be a higher-percentage technique to observe strangers'/unknown contacts' hands and waistband area. The only drawback is that he might jump to the conclusion that you are checking out his . . . package.The Annoyed Man wrote: nitrogen, just FYI, in gang circles, staring someone down is called "mad-dogging," and it is considered a challenge and a legitimate incitement to violence. There are parts of L.A. (where I'm from) that mad-dogging will get you killed fast. If the bonehead that gave you such a bad time the other night was a gangbanger, he might have misinterpreted your stare as "mad-dogging." Perhaps, particularly since you said you usually wear sunglasses, you might practice averting your gaze a bit when you are sizing up an area, and observing from your peripheral vision. The guy being observed is probably less likely to take it as directed at him.
I'd call 911 and let them get a recording of his threats.KD5NRH wrote:I'd have been "playing with my phone" (audio/video recording, with actually fairly good quality) after his first bit of mouthing off, and I'd probably have had a slight wardrobe malfunction when he said the above.
Problem is, I can't do that and get a photo at the same time; even if the lighting isn't great, a photo works a lot better than a description. Besides, with so many carriers not passing the GPS info, and quite a few phone still not having the feature at all, I'd rather not call them until I have the opportunity to give them the location and reason for the call.boomerang wrote:I'd call 911 and let them get a recording of his threats.KD5NRH wrote:I'd have been "playing with my phone" (audio/video recording, with actually fairly good quality) after his first bit of mouthing off, and I'd probably have had a slight wardrobe malfunction when he said the above.
Maybe in hindsight you would have. Up until that point it seems the guy had simply acted like a jerk. That certainly wouldn't justify a 911 call. Beyond the one threat, I don't see anything to be overly concerned about until the aggressive driving started. It sounded like some idiot spouting off. Yes, certainly something to be alert about, but no immediate threat or overtly suspicious activity to warrant a call to 911, up until the point where the chase was on.boomerang wrote:I'd call 911 and let them get a recording of his threats.KD5NRH wrote:I'd have been "playing with my phone" (audio/video recording, with actually fairly good quality) after his first bit of mouthing off, and I'd probably have had a slight wardrobe malfunction when he said the above.
Him: "Hey man that's *MY* gas pump. Back out or I'll mess you up!"
As a CHL, what can you do if your life is threatened verbally?NcongruNt wrote:He was verbally threatened with deadly force back at the gas station. If someone threatened me whom I believed had a gun and was chasing me, I'd make it as difficult as possible for him to make good on that threat. As was also mentioned, he had specific training in this kind of driving, so I have no problem with his utilization of those skills in his effort to escape. I also doubt that he was doing so with abandon for the safety of other drivers.Russell wrote: Also, I don't know if I would have made all of those stunt driver moves you made to attempt to get away, as was mentioned above you could have gotten into an accident that would have made your situation exponentially worse. If he's not ramming you from behind I would have just driven at a normal pace and called the police on my cell phone.
