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I've lately been having a bit of a disagreement with a fellow I met, who claims to be a long standing NRA certified firearms instructor.

He asserts that carrying a Glock with a round in the chamber is correctly referred to as "cocked and locked".

I've always understood that term to mean carrying a semiauto with an external hammer, cocked, and the safety lever locked in the safe position. And 999 times out of 1000, cocked and locked is being used to describe a 1911. I've never heard anyone say a GLock was cocked and locked, and I don't think it's correct.

What do y'all think? Am I all wet on this?

For my part, ‘cocked’ means the hammer (or striker, I guess) is in a fully retracted position, ready to be released by a pull of the trigger. ‘Locked’ means the safety is on, preventing firing. 1911s, yes, but both my Beretta Model 9000 and Model 84 (1979 vintage) can also be put in a ‘cocked and locked’ condition. I refrain from carrying them so, because unlike a 1911, neither has a grip safety. A Glock, as I understand, is never fully cocked and has no safety, thus cannot be locked. But I’m no expert, as l’ve handled one only once, and would never own such an ugly pistol.

You are correct.

If you can pull the trigger and fire the weapon, it's not locked. Just like if you turn a door handle and it opens, it was not locked. Although my way of thinking is archaic, I always thought if you were born with a peter, you were a boy.

I think it means you have been watching Hollywood movies.

Chaparral wrote: ↑Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:52 pm I think it means you have been watching Hollywood movies.

Haha. Agreed.

You are correct, your friend is fan boy of Glock. I am not. He is uninfmored of historical facts. Smile and keep distance.

I would love to ask him just what he thinks is "locked" on a Glock.

C-dub wrote: ↑Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:43 pm I would love to ask him just what he thinks is "locked" on a Glock.

Most likely he would claim, auto-safety of the trigger blade is on unless the trigger finger is on the blade

And most DA/SA can be cocked or locked but not cocked and locked.

"Cocked and locked" is a 1911-centric term.
A C&L 1911 and a Glock with a round chambered can both be considered "Condition 1", and the Glock still has 3 mechanisms keeping it from going bang until you pull the trigger, but I wouldn't term Gaston's progeny as C&L.....

lock and load

(verb expression) Short for locking the magazine/cartridge into the gun and loading the ammunition into the gun's chamber. (Usu. used to show toughness, ambition, fear and other strong characteristics. Originally spoken by John Wayne in "Sands of Iwo Jima" as "load and lock".

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... k and load

So is the above definition incorrect or does "lock" mean different things in different expressions?

KLB wrote: ↑Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:02 pm

lock and load

(verb expression) Short for locking the magazine/cartridge into the gun and loading the ammunition into the gun's chamber. (Usu. used to show toughness, ambition, fear and other strong characteristics. Originally spoken by John Wayne in "Sands of Iwo Jima" as "load and lock".

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... k and load

So is the above definition incorrect or does "lock" mean different things in different expressions?

It is different term. Lock and load, It is like make ready for an AR.

All my guns operate with a moveable safety switch which when in the “locked” position prevents the movement of the trigger. The gun cannot fire until the switch is turned to the down position.

Some guns, I think Glocks, have a two part trigger that prevents the gun from firing unless both parts of the trigger are pulled.

I’ve never considered this locked.

RSX11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:36 pm who claims to be a long standing NRA certified firearms instructor.

That doesn’t mean he knows what he is talking about.....