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What did I hit?
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:55 pm
by Lena
I was thinking tonight about an old friend and myself at his farm's dump ground there was an old fridge standing there, we checked inside both doors to be sure and backed off 30 yds or so and fired 6 each from S&W 29's, freezer was on bottom about half way through this thing just blew up in a red ball of fire with a muffled explosion we were very surprised, always wondered what we had hit as there was nothing inside of it. Any ideas?
Re: What did I hit?
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:12 pm
by FCH
It is possible someone recharged that refrigerator with an illegal refrigerant like isobutane (which has been used legally in Europe). Here is an article about dangers from illegal AC refrigerant (R22a) but that is not the refrigerant used in small appliances.
EPA Issues Warning on Flammable A/C Refrigerant
Re: What did I hit?
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:30 pm
by puma guy
Older compressors used mineral oil for lubrication. Perhaps the oil was being atomized by a leak and a subsequent round sparked the ignition.
Re: What did I hit?
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:30 pm
by TexasJohnBoy
Lena wrote:I was thinking tonight about an old friend and myself at his farm's dump ground there was an old fridge standing there, we checked inside both doors to be sure and backed off 30 yds or so and fired 6 each from S&W 29's, freezer was on bottom about half way through this thing just blew up in a red ball of fire with a muffled explosion we were very surprised, always wondered what we had hit as there was nothing inside of it. Any ideas?
yeah flammable refrigerant.
But, was it cool? Is everyone OK?
Re: What did I hit?
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:32 am
by goose
TexasJohnBoy wrote: But, was it cool?
TJB asked the correct question. :-)
Re: What did I hit?
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:02 am
by puma guy
The heating/burning of freon creates phosgene gas BTW.

Re: What did I hit?
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:46 am
by Gunner4640
puma guy wrote:The heating/burning of freon creates phosgene gas BTW.


which hurts the ozone like everything else now a days
Re: What did I hit?
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:02 pm
by puma guy
Gunner4640 wrote:puma guy wrote:The heating/burning of freon creates phosgene gas BTW.


which hurts the ozone like everything else now a days
Not too healthy for humans either!

Re: What did I hit?
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:30 pm
by Lena
Just very surprised and all ok, we got so shoot a pickup with a MG34 and a car years later but the fridge really got to us. Almost every round went all the way through the fridge.
Re: What did I hit?
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:47 pm
by puma guy
Lena wrote:Just very surprised and all ok, we got so shoot a pickup with a MG34 and a car years later but the fridge really got to us. Almost every round went all the way through the fridge.
maybe it was a gas refrigerator.
Re: What did I hit?
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:48 pm
by TreyHouston
puma guy wrote:Lena wrote:Just very surprised and all ok, we got so shoot a pickup with a MG34 and a car years later but the fridge really got to us. Almost every round went all the way through the fridge.
maybe it was a gas refrigerator.

Re: What did I hit?
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:37 am
by Pawpaw
TreyHouston wrote:puma guy wrote:Lena wrote:Just very surprised and all ok, we got so shoot a pickup with a MG34 and a car years later but the fridge really got to us. Almost every round went all the way through the fridge.
maybe it was a gas refrigerator.

I take it you never heard of a
gas refrigerator?
Re: What did I hit?
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:45 am
by Jusme
Pawpaw wrote:TreyHouston wrote:puma guy wrote:Lena wrote:Just very surprised and all ok, we got so shoot a pickup with a MG34 and a car years later but the fridge really got to us. Almost every round went all the way through the fridge.
maybe it was a gas refrigerator.

I take it you never heard of a
gas refrigerator?
They have sure gone up in price. I haven't seen one in several years, but I know that most RV fridges in the 70's ran off of propane. One of the summer camps my son attended, had a huge gas walk in cooler, in the dining hall.
But with the one the OP spoke of, the gas should have been all gone since, unless I'm mistaken, there is no storage of gas. Once they are disconnected, the gas should dissipate. There may be a little bit in the regulator valve, but not much.
Re: What did I hit?
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:16 am
by treadlightly
Absorption cycle refrigeration, very interesting. I don't have all the details down, but it's sort of like a closed loop distillation process. A volatile refrigerant is in mixture with another substance. Heat is applied to the solution to boil the volatile out of solution. The added heat energy is captured by the state change of the volatile from liquid to gas. Next, the volatile refrigerant, in gas state, is cooled by direct radiation to the environment. This is where energy is shed, turning it liquid at a lower heat content than before it was boiled. Then the liquid refrigerant it is evaporated, transferring heat out of the refrigerator into the state change from liquid to gas and cooling the brewskis.
The evaporated refrigerant is then recaptured into solution to get boiled out again.
At least that's how I understand the cycle.
Physicists Einstein and Szilard thought the concept had merit and worked out improvements, which they patented and sold to Electrolux. It's an interesting world any time nuclear scientists get mixed up with vacuum cleaners.
More info here -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_refrigerator.