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Heres one to make ya think.... This is definatly sad.

http://cbs11tv.com/local/local_story_155082724.html

Man Killed While Trying To Buy Car In Dallas
(CBS 11 News) DALLAS A man was shot and killed late Sunday night after traveling from Waco to Dallas to buy a car.

The incident took place at The Reflections of High Point apartment complex in North Dallas.

According to police, the 21-year-old man responded to an online ad for the vehicle, and was lured up to North Texas to finalize the purchase. Investigators believe that the man may have been set up.

Police said that the victim was about to meet with the seller when he was approached by a man with a gun, robbed and then shot.

"He met with somebody earlier in the week and made arrangements to buy a car," explained Detective R.L. Ermatinger with the Dallas Police Department. "Came up here tonight to pick up the car, that's why he brought the trailer. When he came up here, he was robbed instead of buying a car. He ended up getting robbed and shot."

Police said that the victim had a license to carry a concealed handgun, but was unable to draw his weapon in time.

The name of the victim has not been released.

(© MMVII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved

That is really sad. And he, at 21, had a CHL.
It reminds us that we're not invincible.

How could anyone avoid that? All I know is that he should have taken another armed person with him. Especially where money is involved. Even if the other person didn't have a CHL they could have had the gun at the ready in the vehicle. Who would think of it though.

We don't know all the specifics, so we don't know exactly what could have made the outcome different.

Mindset, readiness, or tactics could have played a role.

One tactic that can work is where a CHL offers up his money, maybe fumbles it and drops in on the ground, then uses the 'opening' to draw and shoot.

Depending on the user, gun, and mode of carry... some CHLs can get a gun in play quicker than others. And sometimes that makes a difference.

The CHL may not have had the proper mindset. Some people have a gun or a license, but that does not mean they are mentally prepared to use a gun when conditions warrant it.

Although I would use my gun if need be I do tend to not keep a round in the pipe so I would have to draw and pull the slide back before I would be ready to fire and that could be to late.
Could be what happened to him or his gun may have been in his truck and not on his person if he had been driving.

Dougmyers5 wrote:Although I would use my gun if need be I do tend to not keep a round in the pipe so I would have to draw and pull the slide back before I would be ready to fire and that could be to late.
Could be what happened to him or his gun may have been in his truck and not on his person if he had been driving.

Nothing wrong with keeping a Glock ready to go to work.

Drawing from concealment is slow enough. Having to rack the slide, IMO, is really pushing it. I prefer to carry with a round in the chamber and safety on.

Here are a couple of other stories about it with a few other details:

http://www.nbc5i.com/news/13436609/deta ... dlineclick

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 2e685.html

Definitely a tragic situation that hits home with him being a CHL'r & what could have been done differently. According to NBC he reached for his gun & was shot, but his girlfriend was not. Makes me think if I'm ever in a situation where someone has "the drop" on me to just give them what they want unless I think they'll just shoot me anyway (I know--that's the big question & one you can't really know the answer to). The really telling detail to me, though, is at the Morning News site that the whole deal was negotiated over the phone & he was instructed to go to several different locations first. Sounds like it should have been a suspicious situation from the start that could have been avoided.

Venus Pax wrote:Drawing from concealment is slow enough. Having to rack the slide, IMO, is really pushing it. I prefer to carry with a round in the chamber and safety on.

I would have to agree. Once I have plastic in hand I'll have one in the chamber and 15 ready to go right behind it.

Am I the only person who thinks it's a little strange to travel from Waco to Dallas to buy a used car?

I was waiting to see if it was some rare antique or custom car, but it appears not. I wonder if it was a deal too good to be true.

- Jim

I, as well, thought strangely on that. My ol' lady bought a used car several months back, and even down in dallas was farther than I wanted to go, gas prices and all....
maybe it was a "too good to be true" deal.
gotta watch out for those.

Selling a car can present problems, too.

A couple of years ago, I was selling my mother's car, and two gentlemen of the Hispanic persuasion came by to look at it.

They seemed to like it, and one of them wanted to take it for a test drive.

Of course he could, but I told him I'd ride along to answer questions.

No, HE wanted to go by himself.

I told him he was welcome to drive it, but I was going to ride along.

No, HE insisted he was going to take it himself.

Went back and forth this way a couple of times. The two of them grew less polite, and I was called gringo, puta, and (I imagine) worse in Spanish before they left.

As their volume went up, it was quite comforting to be able to slip my right hand into the pocket of my cargo shorts and grip the S&W 340SC, knowing I was just 1/2 second away from BANG! if needed . . . nonetheless, I was very happy when they just left (cursing in Spanish all the time) rather than force me to use the revolver. (Ahhh, the virtues of pocket carry!)

HankB wrote:Selling a car can present problems, too.

I sold a car though an ad in the paper, once. Never again. I had drunks come to look at it. I had people calling in the middle of the night. One guy called about a month after I sold it.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:Am I the only person who thinks it's a little strange to travel from Waco to Dallas to buy a used car?

I was waiting to see if it was some rare antique or custom car, but it appears not. I wonder if it was a deal too good to be true.

- Jim

It's not strange from some of us. I drove to New Mexico to buy a car from someone i've bought cars from for years.

Dealing with someone i trust to give me a good deal and not sell me a bad car is worth the extra hassle to me, as well as to give that person I trust my business.

y que la!!!

well, you handled that pretty decent, Hank.

's funny, when my ol' lady and I went to get her car, I had my own smoke-wagon in my pocket, and wanted to be sure I didn't flash at all. Didn't want'em gettin' the wrong idea and all, you know.
It's funny how things are, when She asked to test drive the car and they (the husband and wife) wanted to come with, it never seemed out of sorts to me. like, it would be more unusual if they didn't! haha