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Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:05 pm
by FML
Does that mean Texans will be able to buy real AKs with no infringements from interstate commerce?
Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:12 pm
by Abraham
That thing looks heavy and sorry, I gotta say it, really, really ugly!
It looks like something out of a "Ter-Me-Nah-Ta movie...
Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:58 pm
by ELB
FML wrote:Does that mean Texans will be able to buy real AKs with no infringements from interstate commerce?
Nice try, but if you mean fully-made-in-Texas-so-no-Commerce-Clause-and-no-Federal-Law-Applies.... No, on two counts. Unfortunately.
One, it appears that initially the Texas FB Radom is going to be the importer of FB Radom rifles, which will be brought in from Poland and 922r'd just like other imported AKs. Sounds like maybe down the road some manufacturing locally might be done.
Two, under the current understanding/interpretation/corruption of the Commerce Clause, there is no way to make any product solely within a state, without some form of interstate commerce. Pretty much anything that is brought from out of state to manufacture the product would trigger federal firearms law applicablility through the CC. I think a company would have to mine the ore for the steel from Texas soil, smelt it and form it and treat it here for every part on the rifle, grow the trees for the wood for the stocks and/or pump the oil for the plastic for the stocks, refine it/shape it/ etc, pulp that wood for the price tag put on the rifle (and don't forget the glue) etc etc, otherwise the BATFE and the courts would deem the interstate commerce business to apply.
Sigh.
Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:54 pm
by The Annoyed Man
I'd buy a Texas-made Radom AK in a heartbeat. As a general thing, I admire Poland for a number of reasons. They were the birthplace of democratic roots in Europe (
PRE-Magna Carta). Their military—most especially their air force—were absolutely heroic in the defense of Poland during the nazi invasion. Despite the loss, surviving polish fighter pilots escaped, and then later flew combat missions in British and American supplied aircraft over Europe, including D-Day. One of the airborne divisions that parachuted into Normandy on D-Day was a polish paratroop division made up of ex-pats who had escaped the nazis. Polish rejection of its soviet block membership helped lead the way to the collapse of the USSR. Despite all the jokes, Poles are a splendid people.
FWIW, Radom has a long history as an arms maker, with a well-deserved reputation for quality. During the runup to the WW2 period, they were the producers of the Radom P.35, a sort of blend of the 1911 and Browning Hipower pistols, chambered in 9mm. When the germans overran Poland in 1939, they captured the Radom factory took it over, where they then produced these pistols for issue to german troops.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/238 ... story.html
These were VERY well made pistols, and they will fire pretty much any modern commercial 9mm Parabellum ammunition.
Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:49 pm
by WildBill
The Annoyed Man wrote:Despite all the jokes, Poles are a splendid people.
These were VERY well made pistols, and they will fire pretty much any modern commercial 9mm Parabellum ammunition.
So how many Poles does it take to make a pistol?
Before anyone complains, I have Polish ancestors.
Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:56 pm
by puma guy
WildBill wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:Despite all the jokes, Poles are a splendid people.
These were VERY well made pistols, and they will fire pretty much any modern commercial 9mm Parabellum ammunition.
So how many Poles does it take to make a pistol?
Before anyone complains, I have Polish ancestors.
ja też
Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:13 pm
by kragluver
TAM - you said it well. I have the same respect for the Pole's for the same reasons. They are sort of like Texans:)
I have a Polish P64 made by Radom. I bought it as an inexpensive ($160 at the time) pistol that I could carry with shorts and a T-shirt. It is a very well made pistol. When I first got it the trigger was horrible - which these things have a reputation for. After a Wolf springs kit and a little rework of the trigger return spring the trigger is now acceptable. The gun is reliable as dirt and pretty accurate for a small pistol.
Welcome to Texas Radom!
Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:44 pm
by sookandy
Good deal. My Poles could use some modern brothers.
Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:22 pm
by Sidro
So now we have Radom(Polish) and Rio(Spanish) coming to Texas who else can we get? Thanks to each of these companies for moving here.
Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:50 pm
by WildBill
Sidro wrote:So now we have Radom(Polish) and Rio(Spanish) coming to Texas who else can we get? Thanks to each of these companies for moving here.
Maybe they will merge into Rio Radom.
Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:54 pm
by Excaliber
The Annoyed Man wrote:I'd buy a Texas-made Radom AK in a heartbeat. As a general thing, I admire Poland for a number of reasons. They were the birthplace of democratic roots in Europe (
PRE-Magna Carta). Their military—most especially their air force—were absolutely heroic in the defense of Poland during the nazi invasion. Despite the loss, surviving polish fighter pilots escaped, and then later flew combat missions in British and American supplied aircraft over Europe, including D-Day. One of the airborne divisions that parachuted into Normandy on D-Day was a polish paratroop division made up of ex-pats who had escaped the nazis. Polish rejection of its soviet block membership helped lead the way to the collapse of the USSR. Despite all the jokes, Poles are a splendid people.
FWIW, Radom has a long history as an arms maker, with a well-deserved reputation for quality. During the runup to the WW2 period, they were the producers of the Radom P.35, a sort of blend of the 1911 and Browning Hipower pistols, chambered in 9mm. When the germans overran Poland in 1939, they captured the Radom factory took it over, where they then produced these pistols for issue to german troops.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/238 ... story.html
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These were VERY well made pistols, and they will fire pretty much any modern commercial 9mm Parabellum ammunition.
I'm looking forward to checking out one of their Beryl AK's that I've heard lots of good things about.
Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:26 am
by surprise_i'm_armed
The above links state that the company is moving to Texas.
But I did not catch exactly where their Texas presence will be. Anyone know?
TIA / SIA
Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:06 am
by ELB
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:The above links state that the company is moving to Texas.
But I did not catch exactly where their Texas presence will be. Anyone know?
TIA / SIA
From the thread on the AK Forum, FB Radom USA will be Kingsland, just north west of Marble Falls, or about 60 or 70 miles north west of Austin. The local American rep is Ted Marshall, who has Marshall Arms LLC in Kingsland.
Re: Polish gun-maker coming to Texas
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:22 pm
by TEA
Great location if that is the case. Should bring some good jobs to the local economy.