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Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:05 pm
by pbwalker
From Gresham's Gun Talk:
After Sunday's show, we've gotten many emails about Tom's remarks after WWP declined an interview request on Gun Talk Radio because it's a firearms-related show. We've also seen the forums that are suggesting many things that are not true. So, I'm going to lay it all out right here.
We thought it would be great to book the WWP on the Veteran's Day show to promote the organization, so I contacted them. I was flabbergasted when their PR contact, Leslie, sent me an email saying they could not participate because our show dealt with firearms. Knowing that WWP has had a booth at trade shows and various gun shows across the US, takes wounded warriors on hunts and range days, raffles guns and accessories as fundraisers, etc., their policy didn't make much sense. I forwarded the email on to Tom to get his take.
-Sarah

The following is the complete email exchange:
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Hello, Leslie:
Sarah forwarded me your email after I asked her to invite the Wounded Warriors Project to join me on "Tom Gresham's Gun Talk" radio show.

I'm stunned at your email saying that the WWP doesn't participate in an interview or activity related to firearms. Inasmuch as there are 90 million gun owners and most of them support wounded veterans, I think they would be shocked to hear that they are, by way of their hobbies, somehow not worthy of helping with the Wounded Warriors Project.

Does your policy apply also to police agencies and the military, since they are "related to firearms?"

I'm hoping that we have misunderstood your email. Can you confirm that it is, in fact, an official policy of the Wounded Warriors Project to not do interviews with or participate in any activity related to firearms?

Thank you.
Tom Gresham

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Good afternoon --

While we appreciate your interest in Wounded Warrior Project® (WWP) you are correct that we decline the media opportunity.

Please note the following notice that appears on our website which also applies to WWP public awareness policy and inquiries from media outlets:
http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/ad ... ities.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

WWP does not co-brand, create cause marketing campaigns or receive a percentage or a portion of proceeds from companies in which the product or message is sexual, political or religious in nature, or from alcohol or firearms companies.

Thank you for your inquiry.

LESLIE A. COLEMAN
public relations director

O: 904.405.1433
M: 904.654.8138
F: 904.296.7347

Wounded Warrior Project
4899 Belfort Road, Suite 300
Jacksonville, Florida 32256

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Thanks for confirming that, Leslie. It was a simple opportunity to promote the WWP on a national program in an effort to send donations your way.
I'll pass along the info that you don't want or need the help of America's gun owners.

Best regards,
Tom Gresham

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Good morning --
This policy is not a judgment on those who own and use firearms – clearly every member of our armed forces has been trained in the use of firearms and then called on to use them in the course of their service to this country.

Our position regarding firearms and alcohol is in response to the struggles that many injured service members face with substance abuse and suicide and the roles those items often play in those issues.

Thank you.
LESLIE A. COLEMAN
public relations director

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Hello, Leslie:

Thank you for that explanation.

I do think -- and I'm being as kind as possible -- that it's the nuttiest thing I've heard in years. Suicides are not linked to firearms. Japan has a much higher rate of suicide than does the U.S., and they have essentially no firearms. Suicide is a serious issue irrespective of the methodology used.

This explanation doesn't pass even the most simple "does this make sense" test.

Your policy does, in fact, brand firearms and the companies which make them as undesirables, and by association, you are saying that those who own and use firearms for recreation, hunting, self protection, and other safe and legal uses are to be avoided.

It's certainly your option to ostracize the firearms industry, the 90 million gun owners in America, and the media which support firearms safety training.

At this point, I feel an obligation to make sure the millions who listen to my radio show and watch my two national television series know about your policy.

I cannot fully express how much I feel you are doing a disservice to our wounded veterans, and how disappointed I am to discover this bias at the Wounded Warriors Project.

Sincerely,
Tom Gresham
Funny thing is they had no problem taking $50k from Kahr Arma back in May.
http://www.gunreports.com/news/news/Kah ... 118-1.html

So, my support of this organization will cease. There are far more that can use the money. I hope other folks will do the same.

Re: Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:14 pm
by Slowplay
Wow, that's surprising. I just gave a donation a few weeks ago and don't like the position they've taken.

Re: Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:19 pm
by AEA
I had a feeling it was two faced and dropped my support several Months ago. I still receive requests for donations from them that hit the round can as soon as I receive them.

They are just like USAA.......they talk one thing, embrace another. I find it strange that they would admit it though.

Re: Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:44 pm
by erick619
I'm not a fan of the position they take. I'll be sure to pass this to my friends. Thanks for sharing!

Side note:
AEA wrote: They are just like USAA.......they talk one thing, embrace another. I find it strange that they would admit it though.
Can you please explain this to me (PM or reference so we don't thread jack) because I'm currently a USAA member, but I don't want to give money to someone/company that is against against my core beliefs. Thanks!

Re: Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:50 pm
by RoyGBiv
http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/co ... email.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Me wrote:Dear WWP,
I was incredibly disappointed by the story I just read regarding your position on working with the firearms industry. I'll certainly be finding another way to contribute to this worthy cause, but I cannot in good conscience make any additional contributions to your organization.

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ETA: USAA Thread here: http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=35988" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:53 pm
by AEA
erick619 wrote:I'm not a fan of the position they take. I'll be sure to pass this to my friends. Thanks for sharing!

Side note:
AEA wrote: They are just like USAA.......they talk one thing, embrace another. I find it strange that they would admit it though.
Can you please explain this to me (PM or reference so we don't thread jack) because I'm currently a USAA member, but I don't want to give money to someone/company that is against against my core beliefs. Thanks!
Here ya go.......Complete with photo's of the signs. Just one of many threads on this. RoyGBiv edited and posted another just above.
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=57717&hilit=USAA&start=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:10 pm
by jimlongley
Geez,

First AARP

Then USAA

And now WWP

Actually I think Leslie is misinterpreting their policy, which clearly states "WWP does not co-brand, create cause marketing campaigns or receive a percentage or a portion of proceeds from companies in which the product or message is sexual, political or religious in nature, or from alcohol or firearms companies."

The policy reads that they do not " . . . receive proceeds from . . . firearms companies." which would make her answer pure nonsense, as an appearance on Tom's show would not be receiving proceeds from firearms companies, which would also indicate to me that she is anti-gun herself and using their policy to advance her personal agenda.

I would suggest escalation above her level.

Re: Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:42 pm
by AEA
AndyC wrote:Looks like their CEO gets $320k per annum - nice work.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.c ... rgid=12842" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
How cool is that? That link uses a target to score! :smilelol5:

Re: Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:50 pm
by Jumping Frog
AndyC wrote:Looks like their CEO gets $320k per annum - nice work.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.c ... rgid=12842" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I used to support WWP, but about a year ago I moved my support to other veteran-related causes after I realized that 37% of every dollar they spent was on fundraising, not on helping veterans.

Here are other charities helping veterans with better scores:

Charity Name Overall Score Overall Rating
Wounded Warrior Project - FL 54.18 3 stars
Hope For The Warriors® - NC 65.96 4 stars
Fisher House Foundation - MD 68.09 4 stars
Armed Forces Foundation - DC 55.41 3 stars
USO - VA 60.71 4 stars
Homes for Our Troops - MA 69.15 4 stars
Operation Support Our Troops - America - IL 65.45 4 stars
Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors - DC 58.29 3 stars
The Navy SEAL Foundation - VA 69.34 4 stars

Re: Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:00 pm
by txjim42
I wonder if these means we won't be seeing them at future gun-shows...

Re: Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:16 pm
by SewTexas
We have at least 1 Fisher House at BAMC, maybe 2?

Re: Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:40 pm
by E.Marquez
SewTexas wrote:We have at least 1 Fisher House at BAMC, maybe 2?
ONE at BAMC

6 Total in Texas
VA North Texas Health Care System, Dallas
William Beaumont Army Medical Center, El Paso
Carl R. Darnall Army Medical Center, Fort Hood
Michael E. DeBakey VA Medical Center, Houston
Brooke Army Medical Center - San Antonio Military Medical Center I, II, III, IV
Wilford Hall Ambulatory Surgical Center - San Antonio Military Medical Center I, II, III

Re: Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:46 pm
by SewTexas
OK, so there's my confusion....they have 4 buildings from the looks of what you posted, but it's just called one. from the road I think you can see 2 and then there are other various building in an area I've never had a need to go too.

Re: Wounded Warrior Project - Anti2A Org

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:55 am
by AlphaWhiskey
I am part of a group that used to do an annual fundraiser for WWP. This year they informed us we had to pay them $100 for the "rights" to fundraise for them and use their logo. Ridiculous. Needless to say, we selected a new charity (Special Operations Warrior Foundation) that was VERY happy to receive nothing but out support and the donations we raised on their behalf. WWPs stance on firearms is just icing on the cake for me now.

Among the list mentioned above, Homes for Our Troops is a good grass-roots org that seems to be very pro 2A. A couple of years ago I volunteered at a sporting clays fundraiser/ match that they put on at American Shooting Center here in Houston. It was first class.