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KR Training wrote:UTAH PERMITS FOR TEXAS CARRY?
I've had several conversations this month with students that were considering, or have gotten, Utah carry permits as a way to carry in Texas without "going through the hassle" of getting a Texas permit. The Utah class is shorter in length and the fees are cheaper. Reasons getting a Utah permit is a bad idea:
1) You will be arrested by Texas cops and tried in Texas courts when you violate Texas gun laws. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Going to court is a far bigger "hassle" than sitting through a Texas CHL class.
2) The cop that pulls you over may not be familiar with the "loophole" in Texas law that allows residents to carry on non-resident licenses...so you may end up getting hassled on the side of the road.
3) Your money and your data go to another state. If everyone in Texas got Utah permits, it would appear that no one in Texas carries. That would significantly weaken the power of our lobby with the Legislature. Sending your CHL money to Utah helps Utah, not Texas.
I have a fundamental problem with people that think that training to be well prepared for a life-or-death situation, including learning the details of relevant state laws, is "a waste of time".
I've also been told by some potential students that they want a Utah permit so that they "won't have to tell cops I'm carrying when I'm pulled over". This requirement was removed from Texas law during the last legislative session, and even when it was required, it was not a significant problem for permit holders. The success of the Texas CHL program is due, in part, to the support Texas CHL holders have received from law enforcement agencies in Texas, and DPS specifically. Our Texas CHL system works, and we have been able to adjust it to make it better for permit holders since its inception. "Cheating the system" by opting for a Utah permit is the wrong thing to do, and I encourage those that have Utah permits (and not Texas permits) or those considering this option to do the right thing for your own education and for gun rights in Texas by getting the Texas CHL.
The problem is, this instructor is also giving wrong information. The requirement to provide your CHL still exists, but there is no penalty if you fail to do so.Backslider wrote:The most recent KR Training Newsletter had what I believe to be a well-reasoned evaluation of the value of getting a Texas CHL over Utah. #3 is the point that resonated most with me.
KR Training wrote:UTAH PERMITS FOR TEXAS CARRY?
I've had several conversations this month with students that were considering, or have gotten, Utah carry permits as a way to carry in Texas without "going through the hassle" of getting a Texas permit. The Utah class is shorter in length and the fees are cheaper. Reasons getting a Utah permit is a bad idea:
1) You will be arrested by Texas cops and tried in Texas courts when you violate Texas gun laws. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Going to court is a far bigger "hassle" than sitting through a Texas CHL class.
2) The cop that pulls you over may not be familiar with the "loophole" in Texas law that allows residents to carry on non-resident licenses...so you may end up getting hassled on the side of the road.
3) Your money and your data go to another state. If everyone in Texas got Utah permits, it would appear that no one in Texas carries. That would significantly weaken the power of our lobby with the Legislature. Sending your CHL money to Utah helps Utah, not Texas.
I have a fundamental problem with people that think that training to be well prepared for a life-or-death situation, including learning the details of relevant state laws, is "a waste of time".
I've also been told by some potential students that they want a Utah permit so that they "won't have to tell cops I'm carrying when I'm pulled over". This requirement was removed from Texas law during the last legislative session, and even when it was required, it was not a significant problem for permit holders. The success of the Texas CHL program is due, in part, to the support Texas CHL holders have received from law enforcement agencies in Texas, and DPS specifically. Our Texas CHL system works, and we have been able to adjust it to make it better for permit holders since its inception. "Cheating the system" by opting for a Utah permit is the wrong thing to do, and I encourage those that have Utah permits (and not Texas permits) or those considering this option to do the right thing for your own education and for gun rights in Texas by getting the Texas CHL.
Based on what I read on this board, there are a lot of instructors teaching wrong information. I'm sure there are good and bad like any profession, but what are they doing to revoke certification for the bad apples?1) You will be arrested by Texas cops and tried in Texas courts when you violate Texas gun laws. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Going to court is a far bigger "hassle" than sitting through a Texas CHL class.
If a cop pulls me over, I'm covered by the Motorist Protection Act and don't need a non-resident concealed license.2) The cop that pulls you over may not be familiar with the "loophole" in Texas law that allows residents to carry on non-resident licenses...so you may end up getting hassled on the side of the road.
I'm a capitalist and I believe in competition. Why can't Texas offer a license at a similar price to Utah? Renewals too. Or at the worst make a CHL renewal cost the same as a DL renewal.Sending your CHL money to Utah helps Utah, not Texas.
I forget which states, but there are a few that recognize Utah (and probably Florida) that don't recognize Texas.cougartex wrote:If you have a Texas CHL, why would you want a CHL from another state?
Can you carry in more states with a Utah or Florida CHL than Texas CHL?
Please explain......
Utah gives you a few more states that Texas doesn't (check http://www.handgunlaw.us" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for the states), BUT there are a quite a few states that either don't honor or are starting to not honor non-resident CHL's, so those states may go away in the future.cougartex wrote:If you have a Texas CHL, why would you want a CHL from another state?
Can you carry in more states with a Utah or Florida CHL than Texas CHL?
Please explain......
Heh, you've described IMHO the ideal purpose for a real political system (as opposed to a bully, or snatch-and-grab political system...).joe817 wrote:I throw out a question for the group:
Politics working, is many times a give and take relationship. That is to say, if one legislator wants a bill passed, but in order to get that particular piece of legislation passed, another piece of legislation will have to be eliminated. For what ever the reason...budget trade off, etc.
IF Texas were to pass legislation for eliminating non-resident CHL's, would Texas CHL holders gain something in return? Such as campus carry or employer parking bills passed?
OR....is this something that Joe should just shut up about?
OldSchool, that went out of vogue when we were in high school.OldSchool wrote:Heh, you've described IMHO the ideal purpose for a real political system (as opposed to a bully, or snatch-and-grab political system...).
My how times have changed. 
A good thought, in general. However, governments inherently don't like competition, and only have to put up with it when politically necessary. When legislators believe that a government-provided "privilege" (such as "special" licensing -- let's ignore the 2A aspect of this for this argument) "is more expensive than it's worth" (i.e., either it doesn't bring in enough money or the money can be used "better" elsewhere), then that privilege simply goes away. In fact, this just happened (again) with the firm for whom I work.Hoosier Daddy wrote: I'm a capitalist and I believe in competition. Why can't Texas offer a license at a similar price to Utah? Renewals too. Or at the worst make a CHL renewal cost the same as a DL renewal.
When banks compete, you win. The same idea applies here.
